Psychedelic Bump

no such thing as hindu demigod fyi. but yes, tryptamines and lysergamides are highly hindu/buddhist in their imagery and motif. if you look into hinduism, its quite complex and hard to get a good grasp of the big picture, very easy to miss the forest for the trees and think it's just about having a zoo of gods for everything, which it's not. but if you look into it and find the essence, you will definitely come to conclusions like:

no doubt there was a mycological influence here imo. that or the essence of these religions is a root that is coincidentally found and brought out by certain psychoactive substances. i think not though, they are too similar to me. my 5 hit acid trip was so profoundly 'hindu' that i do entertain notions of relation between psychedelic state and that kind of worldview.



come on . . .

 

Yeah, but is that because of YOUR prior exposure to such imagery or because these substances elicit such imagery?
Chicken or the egg.
The world may never know.

 

For sure. I am also highly aware that my co-tripper was hindu, and pointed out various similarities for me during the trip.

psychedelic music . . . Goa (the place) . . . etc. There is some affinity here, some Attractor that links the two seemingly unrelated worlds of hinduism and psychedelia imo. Perhaps hinduism is simply the most compatible cosmic worldview with psychedelics, if there were some other more compatible, like if psychedelics happened to illicit great themes of redemption, seperation from God, etc, perhaps we would say they are highly Christian or something. Certainly fascinating to ponder

 

I do often have what could be termed "Christian themed" psychedelic experiences. But that is due to my upbringing and personal experiences.
Conversely as already stated I have never had what I would deem "Hindu" themed trips.

I do believe that the state of awareness that is achieved through psychedelics is the source for Hinduism and Buddhism, whether through spontaneous or meditative states of awareness or through mushrooms and cannabis. What I see is the adapting of the geometric, fractal nature of visuals from psychedelics being incorporated into Hindu art, but I doubt that the "gods" exist "out there" and present themselves in the form of drug induced visuals.

I know that for the most part you feel as I do that the internal world of our mind and memories provides the content for trips and that stuff doesn't enter our awareness from somewhere "out there" or have I mis-read you?

 

Do You feel this way regarding mushrooms, salvia, and Mescaline Cactus as well? I assume you do about mushrooms since you were discussing tryptamines. I don't really believe these psychedelics are inhabited by spirits or anything but I do feel that Mushrooms, San Pedro and Salvia all feel like something beyond or 'outside' my internal perception and memories. I don't know if it's some pharmacological clash between the plant's alkaloids and the way it's processed by the human mind and body, but I feel different from some of those plant hallucinogens than I do with LSD, I don't feel like they are only just a window into my own psyche.

 

is she holding a CD?!
wonder who it is

 

It's for sure Culture Club

 

Each one has it's own unique character to be sure and it is very easy to understand how the idea of "plant spirits" and such originated.
Thing is with how very little we know and understand about the human nervous system and how psychedelics interact with it I tend to go with the idea that what we encounter during a psychedelic session is derived from the content of our own minds.

But think about how your own inner dialog proceeds, often we do have a "dialog" that almost seems as if we were suffering from multiple personality disorder. This is most commonly termed our "conscious" talking to us. Is it an external entity or internal?

Of all substances I have experienced I would have to say that mescaline has come the closest to giving me that sense of interacting with something "other than me".
Mushrooms can result in an unrelenting haranguing of myself that on one trip I totally understood how the concept of Satan or The Accuser came to be.

I agree LSD has never given that sense of "other" the same as plant substances can.
But again, is it because there are plant spirits or entities we encounter under the influence or because of all the things stored in memory about plant spirits and entities that I have read?

My opinion thus far is that the majority of content in a psychedelic experience does come from within.
But my opinions are alway tentative and subject to change as new information is gathered.

But on the other hand I will say that I have had some non drug experiences with "things" that for all intents and purposes were "other than me".

Hey I could be totally wrong and the machine elves are laughing their asses off at me right now. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong or laughed at and I am certain it wouldn't be the last.

 

For sure I understand your point, I think salvia remains kind of the anomaly here though as it doesn't even really have 20 years yet of recreational use in the West so it's not like we have a whole lot of data or history on it for people just trying it. Salvia youtube experiences certainly don't say anything or do it justice and I knew practically nothing about it the first time I tried it except that it was supposed to be intense. I think the vast majority of people who have had a salvia breakthrough would agree that what they experience is not something that their mind would just conjure up or random memories. I feel the same like you said about Mescaline cacti and I myself feel mushrooms have that feeling, maybe not quite recognizable as much at lower dosages.

 

bump for 4 grams of k over the last 3 days

 

But also consider that I have had dreams that would also fit that description, haven't you?

I think bottom line is that we just don't know enough yet to be certain one way or the other.
I just firmly believe that the best starting point when dealing with psychedelic trip content is to look within FIRST. Far to many people jump to the idea that they have been contacted by other beings or some shit without ever examining themselves thoroughly for the source first.

 

haha weren't you the one with a possible urinary tract infection too? saying you were peeing alot and stuff? If so damn you are crazy, but i know how it is.

 

bump for no weed or anything for the last 5 days after a two week smoking binge and I am back to normal baseline now.

 

Hmmmmm..... I've certainly had dreams where I have not felt in control and felt random I don't know if i've ever felt like I've had a dream that was being directed from outside of myself......I dunno that's really an interesting one to ponder, I usually feel like the centerpiece of the dream though, rarely do I feel i'm the peripheral.

If salvia is someone's first psychedelic though and they breakthrough it's pretty hard to look in. It's usually more of a "what the fuck was that" type thing.

 

Bumping for the fact that I finally realized something that my first ever DPT trip told me.

I am so incredibly inconsequential in the universe, yet I am completley a part of the universe at the same time.

There's a difference between thinking about that philosophy and seeing how it physically manifests via. your visuals.

.. I'm just high on life.

 

if you don't believe that there are some "outside" influences that interact with you while tripping i have a hard time believing you have that much experience under your belt.. no offense. and this is coming from someone who nearly has a ma in psychology

do you subscribe to the belief that we are the only spiritual beings that inhabit eternity? this is very narrow-minded imo

 

i agree that a lot of it has to do with what's inside your own head, but i also think a lot of it is from the molecule itself.

i know what you mean with that statement, CS. i've thought about that myself many times. seeing it manifest through visuals would be pretty neat though

 

:smilielol5:
I guess you didn't actually read my posts but just skimmed through them.

In reality by my looking objectively at it from both perspectives I am exhibiting a more open mind concerning it than I would if I just dogmatically held to the idea that the spirits are communing with us when we are tripping on some chemical, aren't I?

As far as experience with psychedelics, particularly LSD, my views currently held are derived from over 30 years of experience taking and researching psychedelics as well as other types of altered states of consciousness, and seeing and experiencing things that leave no other explanation but that there is a lot more than meets the eye to this thing we call life.

Nowhere in what I posted did I even remotely say that I believe that we are the only beings, spiritual or otherwise, in existence. I only stated that I have doubts regarding communion with other entities while under the influence.

Oh, and no offense, but having an MA in psychology really says nothing whatsoever about your intelligence, comprehension or understanding of such things. It just says you stuck it out in school and are earning a degree. I've met lots of complete idiots who had earned degrees, and I know more than a few people with IQ's over 130 with no college education at all.
Not saying your one of the idiots, but I do question your comprehension skills concerning what I posted because you obviously missed a few key points.

 

there is what can be, Think for instance a Train is going to be a train no matter what it is. Ants follow a trail line much like a train. They didnt build powerful machines but themselves working together are the same as a Train..
A train is built by many indiviuals, and millions of individuals touch and take part of the trains activity.. No matter where you are in whatever time or space, A TRAIN will always be a train..

 

bump for a crazy night last night leading to a beautiful morning today!

ketamine + mystery dose of 2c-b [seemed like substantially more than 20] + a few hits of dmt + weed.

crazy, crazy, crazy night...