Psychedelic Bump

t2 sounded like a weaker shorter lasting t7 from my looking into it over a year ago.
I took a 30 mg. dose writer, and barely felt a thing as well.
Try 50 .
Also doing 50 and insufflating 10 more didn't cause a fatality...doing shit like that is definitely dangerous with t7 though.

 

bump of t7 in the mail?

 

Since the deaths it has been suggested t7 may be a maoi as well. I'm pretty sure it's recommended you should wait at least 24 hours before trying any other drugs after consuming a maoi.

Mescaline is a lot safer but quite different as well.

t2 does have great potential being not having any deaths related. From what I've gathered t7 is the more visual and t2 is the more emotional one although they both have the other property underlying. You definately have a point that this is a dangerous one that needs to be respected and has guidelines to be followed pretty strictly.

Probably true but how many people have died from any one of the drugs mentioned? I'm sure there are many first time OD deaths as well. Tolerance may lead to many of the deaths, but it's pushing past those limits that really kills you. If you don't go over standard doses, you won't overdose. Unless you have an extremely low tolerance, but you should start low to test doses anyways.

I also agree this is definately one for experience psychadelic users. I'm not saying someone who isn't well versed couldn't handle it but it could be overwhelming for most first psychadelic users like dmt is versus mushrooms or mescaline.

 

It's not even an issue of being overwhelming to a novice user as opposed to it being a relatively unsafe psychedelic drug. You can get overwhelmed on LSD, ill recommend that stuff to anyone, anytime. I'll stand behind 2ce and even 4 aco dmt which I haven't done yet.

Someone without a milligram scale (which i'm sure alot of us don't have), much knowledge of this stuff, and other factors just lead to this being dangerous.

Let's even think of this hypothetical scenario: Some responsible novice tripper just has a couple amazing trips with LSD and mushrooms. He wants to explore further and is like 'I want to try mescaline now.' Some dealer sells him this stuff as mescaline he takes it home and says 'Wait a minute this guy jipped me' as the dosage for mescaline doses is way higher than 2ct7 he ends up convincing the dealer to give him more saying he weighed the dose and all.

I know it's a hypothetical situation and all but just illustrating a point and really it's not all that farfetched.

 

Case and point:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=24924

 

shrooms and molly bumper cars actually.

 

Why would a dealer give out an unsafe dose to an uneducated person? That's begging for a world of trouble.
I hope most of us have mg. scales...shit, that was the first thing I bought.
I think t7's dangers are a little exaggerated and people worry too much over it.
If you're responsible there really isn't much to worry about.

 

HAHAHAH, sorry that's the funniest thing i've read in a long time.

 

i wouldn't call eating 50 mg and snorting 10 very responsible

 

That erowid report was retarded. The dude seized off 60?
When dealing with a substance like t7 people selling it tend to at least say not to take a mescaline sized dose of it...that would certainly kill someone, and bring heat on the dealer (assuming the buyers knew them).

 

For sure. Was just making a point that dying off of a reasonable dose is extremely unlikely.

 

lol PV not enough robots in disguise? planning on hippieflipping? please report if you do.

I didn't mean it would be overwhelming to you or even novice trippers GBL, more so to beginners to psychs. There are a lot of RC's you can eyeball but there are probably just as many or even more where it would be retarded to do so.

I don't really know what to say about the t7 being sold as mescaline though.. somebody lied and somebody got hurt. Education is the key to harm reduction but you have to know what your taking is the real shit. Not that I have a GC/MS to run tests, but I trust a chinese lab making my drugs and telling me the truth about what they are selling me more than I do street dealers.

 

Rationalize it however you want man, I have people I care about to much and people who care about me as well to fuck up on something stupid like this. I certainly wouldn't go around recommending it to most people i know either. I also don't have hundreds to thousands of dollars to blow on hospital bills if I fuck up measuring or eyeballing it and end up taking an extra 20 mgs. If you think dealers are looking out for your best interests you have a lot to learn.

 

I should have phrased that differently, but I'm not quite sure how to..
Dealers with t7 normally aren't lookin to give out large doses to people that may take several hundred mg.s thinking it's mescaline. I have dealt with plenty of people...I know your best interests aren't in the dealer's mind, but his are however, and having kids die on shit you sell them isn't in the dealer's best interest. Especially if it's a group and they know you.
Don't eyeball this one then...a cheap mg. scale is 23 bucks...everyone doing any RC absolutely needs one, and it shouldn't be off by 20 mg.

 

so what do you consider to be a reasonable or "safe" dose of -t7?

 

alright gbl you do your thing and i'll do my t7. I was just trying to point out the fact that it's not so dangerous if you respect it and follow the rules you should for any other RC(I know I do). You seem to have educated yourself about it for the most part so I can't really do/ask anything else.

ya street dealers are out to help me out...that's not what i said at all. we are on the same page regarding that.

I personally don't really like reccommending doses pork, especially with a chemical like t7 that has such a large spectrum of dose response in different people.

I guess would suggest you start light-common on the erowid scale at 10 -30 mg. 20 mg is a pretty nice dose for some but for many others it takes twice the amount to get the same effects. I started at 20 and got almost nothing. Then move up from where ever you started in increments you feel comfortable with.

 

WOOO Broski, my last post was not even aimed at you I was responding to Smitty25's post

 

lol sorry for the confusion man I felt mocked. It was directly after my post, related to the content and didn't state it was towards anyone in particular so I thought it was me.

 

It's all good :coolgleamA:

 

I have to second.