Psychedelic Bump XXI

I wouldn't necessarily say that everything I've experienced is a 100% accurate representation or anything of the sort... I know that things could be twisted and I could easily mis-interpret things. But there are common experiences of me and other people that link up to form a greater picture.

Seeing spirit selves is an interpretation - there are seemingly limitless forms that can be taken by the spirit - so it's certainly hard to know what a native form might be. But, the way I and others have described how things look - all accounts agree - so I can count the experience as subjective personal proof and the general idea as the closest thing to objective proof we'll likely be able to see. It's like a shadow within someone (dark blue is the common colour) and the more you tune in - the more vividly you can see it.

Message from my grandfather - that one's hard to explain as of course it's a very personal experience - not that I'm not willing, just the reasoning may not make sense to all without direct experience - suffice to say, I was given enough information to decide conclusively that it was him.

Now seeing someone else's visuals is easier to explain. There are different ways you can see it, sometimes it's like a projection on their face, other times it's projections on to the surface of the room or whatever deeper visual you might be in. The way I've been able to tell is by various methods:
- Seeing their visual and describing it back to them
- Having them describe theirs to me
- Manipulating something without telling them and they describe it back to me (I'm new to this, Sproggy has immense ability to share)
- If it's ideas they're projecting, it can just be the word(s) written on their face or within their visuals - of course you can then confirm this back to them

I've been able to reach shared dream states and waking meditative states with those close to me too... it seems to be easiest to connect to those most emotionally close to you... I think it's all based on wave vibrations and those closest to each other are most likely to be "in phase". Although, you can tune into other apparently - I'm just not sure how to do that yet - I think it would be easier in proximity.

There are other things to... ever since I was assaulted about 5 years ago, I've had a problem with my left elbow. In my last trip, this was fixed for me! Along with a quote when I realised what had just happened... "oops, clumsy me!"... lol

I know what you mean about possibilities yes... if you ever see any glimpses of what may happen in the future - that is only a possibility... that's how the universe works, probabilities. It's like we all have all of our life paths already pre-defined... every possible fork in the road is mapped out like an incredibly complex chandelier, but we have freedom of choice to decide which path we choose.

As for where we go when we die, it's been a re-occuring theme in the last trips, along with the other seeming information... as if I was going through a preview of how you "wake up" on the other side when this physical form is no longer inhabitable This is just my interpretation, but I think I've seen a small part of it.

A lot of it has to be personal... one of the messages I got was "I'm cryptic, you've got to crack the code"... but that was more in relation to me asking what I should do with my life, if there's any path I should choose that would be most beneficial. You'll never get any direct answers if you ask about the choices to be made, but it seems like I had a couple of hints... I just don't know exactly what to make of them yet.

What can a guide do? Mr. Writer answers this very well

In order to get to the higher states, you need to let go of this material world to be able to accept what you see in the other realms. There are a lot of things that don't make sense to the egos that we've built here, a lot of paradoxes and a lot of "that's impossible" moments. If you try to understand that, it wakes your ego back up and you get confused lost.

Once you're in one of these lost head states, it can spiral into a less pleasant / more confusing experience - a guide can be incredibly useful to get you out of this state. To calm you down, help you clear your mind and then you'll go back to where you were, free of anxiety/confusion etc. You shouldn't try to analyse too much on a trip, that brings to back to this reality and if it's mid-trip - that can be premature.

It's been a focus of quite a few trips as I've pulled myself back quite a few times and been faced with quite a bit of confusion and a little bit of fear that I may be losing my mind or something. This is purely ego. One of the most direct messages I got in my last trip was "letting go doesn't mean giving up"... which has given me a lot of comfort.

It is also just keeping an eye on them and making sure all is ok - it can be as simple as just a little bit of reassurance. I think it depends on the person, firefox has never needed any guidance at all... I needed some and Admetus has needed a bit.

There's a Timothy Leary book that explains this all incredibly well:

"The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead"

I highly recommend reading it.

While all religions are incorrect, to an extent... some are closer than others and it would appear that the Tibetan book of the dead is the closest representation.

Timothy Leary explains it and it's relationship to LSD.

He's done some awesome work.

I completely understand the scepticism... very similar thoughts were rushing through my head when this was starting to happen.

It's not something I was expecting to be shown and was quite a polar opposite from my previous belief systems.

So to begin with, it had me a little worried and I questioned if I should trip again.

The conclusion I got to... is that my internal belief systems do not directly affect others, so in that sense - it doesn't matter what I choose to believe.

Of course, belief systems can have secondary effects on the outside world, such as your behaviour towards others.

All these experiences have done is make me appreciate life, search for a more meaningful purpose, remove fears and generally make me feel more happy and content... with a desire to connect more to those around me. Along with re-awakening my long lost desire for knowledge etc. It's re-awakended my creativity and given me a wider world view rather than the relatively small box I was putting things in before.

There has not been a single negative effect from any of these experiences. As long as that continues, I see no harm in continuing my pursuits :sunny:

Of course I know clearly not to try flying... lol

I've never been asked to do anything, it's like I've had something there listening and answering in certain ways. There was only one suggestion (it wasn't even a request)... just to love something and you'll be loving God.



I strongly believe it's not *just* magical thinking. What I have experienced is far beyond the capabilities of just my brain, so I know more exists. Sure things may be enhanced or mis-interpretted, but there is no way these experiences have been a creation of just my physical brain, it doesn't have the processing capabilities to do that.







I would adore to get some independent research done on these subjects... I'd happily volunteer.

One of the hints I received in that last trip was quite closely related to spreading LSD.

 

I think It's a bit of both.

My rough theory, which admittedly I have little supporting evidence for is that the brain/mind is getting cross signals from various parts of the CNS and brain. I think that perhaps the simpler 'reptliian' brain systems (those structures of ours which are also present in reptile brains) as well as the limbic system, cerebellum, etc. Are being put on sort of a chaotic 'high alert' as where higher order structures of the brain are receiving messages from the autonomic systems that 'everything is ok' and as that's reinforced it allows the mind to wander to more contemplative, analytical aspects of the perceptions, stimuli, and sensations of the psychedelic experience with decreased filters.

I think the messages from the reptilian brain and lower functioning systems are largely responsible for some perceptions like the regressive child-like awe from Psychedelics, which in turn can influence some higher level thinking and may be involved in eliciting some of the more primal behavior and monumental feelings while on Psychedelics.

I believe some knowledge can be gained from those processess though. I think at the very least, all of us who have used Psychedelics for mind exploration have gleaned some insight into the way we act or respond to various circumstances and thoughts.. I watched a Graham Hancock interview last night talking about Ayahuasca and he said "I'm not sure Ayahuasca has made me a better person but it has shown me that I can become a better person." I think that is easily attainable knowledge VIA psychedelic experiences.

 

Excellent quote.:2thumbsup:

psychedelics, as I have always said, are the most honest mirror you will ever look into.
That is both blessing and curse.

 

This is absolutely a large part of what psychedelics do. You can see this two ways; one is to record your thoughts while tripping, either in writing or in audio. Has no one ever done this? Has no one ever come out of trip to see that they have written "the sky is BLUE" in shaky writing, with great effort and tremendous importance on a piece of paper? Volupta and I have recorded a great deal of psychedelic content. Some of it is insightful. But most of it is actually pretty mundane stuff that, in the heat of the moment on psychedelics, becomes, well, psychedelic

There are many Erowid trip reports that confirm this phenomenon and many scientific studies have been done on this matter. LSD in particular can increase creativity and help to see things differently, but it's not like it suddenly makes you this conductor of psychic energy with an IQ of 600 . . . you just get a little more creative, and this effect is far overshadowed by the effects of . . .

The chemicals at work! That's right! In "just" your physical brain It turns out that LSD increases dopamine release in the brain, which is the same thing that schizophrenia and parkinson's does, which results in feelings of great importance to thoughts, grandeur, all that stuff. These are documented effects of these brain chemicals.

Please, if you have any real scientific interest in what psychedelics do, your first stop is to stop wasting your time with psychedelics, and learn about the human brain! You cannot fathom the unbelievable complexity of this system, and what it can do without the aid of psychedelics. Then you can understand that adding something like psychedelics to this already byzantine and insanely powerful machine, is really creating a pandora's box of possibilities.

And you are so familiar with the processing powers of your brain? Your brain while under the effects of the world's most brain-boosting chemical?

In my opinion you have not yet left the domain of the Cerebrum to be going into the playground of God, or telepathy, or communicating with the deceased, or with other minds . . . nothing you have said yet has made me think you are doing anything except being inside your own mind, which is the playground of God if there is one

 

solid post, writer.^^^

but, psychedelics DO tend to make people have similar realizations, like "We are all One."

so to some extent, it might be opening us up to some kind of outside wisdom.



tasty, thanks for the extended response. i guess we just differ on basic beliefs like whether or not humans have a spirit that can take forms. i tend to think not, but don't rule it out. (the chicken shit stance i suppose, but chicken shit with an open mind)

i've tripped with my wife. i've tripped with my brother who is also my best friend. when i trip with other people, i am the guide. but i've never given it too much thought on HOW to guide. it just comes sort of naturally, after tripping many times you just figure out certain things.
my point is, while i can read my brother's emotions very well while tripping, and even know what he is thinking or wanting without verbally communicating...i think it's from body language and years of being close with the person - not from telepathic communication or something.

i've had shared dream experiences too, as we've already discussed.

i've also had dreams of my deceased uncle, where he comes back to life...feels SO real. i've woke up crying and feeling his presence or something. but for whatever reason, i choose to attribute that to the complex network or meat inside my skull, than something else...

not to knock your beliefs at all. just stating mine.
thanks for defending yours in a civilized manner, and not assuming that we were attacking you or something. +1 for the psychedelic forum

are you still into physics? i think it's especially interesting when a scientific person is also religious. i guess the things you've said aren't necessarily religious, more spiritual....but you get my point. for some people it's hard to reconcile differences between evolution and genesis for example. but some people do it.

 

:iagree:

 

Anyone interested in a deeper understanding of guiding will benefit from reading Jim Fadiman's, The Psychedelic Explorers Guide. He's been at it since before the Acid Tests. There's some good information at the Council for Spiritual Practices website http://csp.org/ To me, a very good resource for people interested in psychedelic therapy is The Secret Chief (conversations between Leo Zeff, a long-time psychedelic therapist and Myron Stolaroff, another experienced tripper). I'll be using both of these (and other resources) in an upcoming workshop on psychedelic healing.

As for you, Tasty, I hope you'll trust me enough to get a copy of Amazing Dope Tales by Stephen Gaskin. Stephen was one of my spiritual/tripping teachers. You'll find a lot of support in Amazing for a lot of what you're doing and reporting.

Man, you really sound good to me. I'll be tripping next weekend with some people that you seem a lot like. Loving you, young brother.

 

Thanks for the heads up, I'll check out your recommendation :sunny:

Enjoy your trip brother

 

I respectfully disagree, with what I've seen - it's hard not to believe in what I'm putting out to the world.

There is still the odd doubt in my mind and they used to send my opinion down one way or another of explaining it away, but now I'm at the point where I'm correcting those doubts to flip them back to the belief. Each experience has pushed the ideas further and reading words/visuals off peoples' faces and communicating it back to them is a solid confirmation in my book. Granted it's subjective and I have no way to prove it objectively yet - it does however correlate with the experiences of many, not few.

I suppose it depends on how you define "your own mind"... we're all different elements of a single "mind" :afro:

I can remember the main points very clearly and analyse them, it's not as simple as just an enhanced feeling of importance.

Have a read of that Timothy Leary book I mentioned, you might be surprised with how well it links in with your own experiences.



I would love to continue research into this... there has already been a reasonable amount done that suggests the existence of telepathy.

Yes, figuring out exactly what it is - that's the interesting question.

You get to see an incredible amount in these experiences, but most of it is ineffable and may never make any sense while we're in this form. It's just these relatively basic ideas I've brought out that I believe to be true, there's much I can't even try to comprehend.

I think the only way to try and open yourself up is to try and believe that there's more out there than we understand and perhaps some of what we think we understand is not perfectly accurate. Once you open yourself up to this, more follows.

It's a case of questioning everything and trying to make up your own opinions.

Ideally it helps to be free of belief systems, just see what you're shown and take it for whatever you think it is.

How many paradoxes have you visualised in your experiences?

Heck, if I'd read this 6 months ago - I'd have thought I was a nutter.

I was quite happy sitting in my atheistic materialist box, in fact - I found it a heck of a lot easier to accept than the possibility of more.

So know that strict belief systems can be flipped on their heads... now I just feel more open and what I've seen correlates with many others.

A very interesting experience is to trip with cats... if you get the chance, when you're tripping... just sit down with a cat and stare into their eyes.

That's what I thought at first... I just put it down to enhanced representations of non-verbal, yet physical, cues.

When you start seeing words / sentences written across the face of someone you're tripping with, say it back to them and they confirm that's exactly what they were thinking... or you see intricate patterns / interesting visuals that again you confirm directly with them... it's hard to explain picking up that much information from just body language.

Then there's the communication I've experienced while 600-700 miles away from my extended family through shared dream states and waking meditative states... we are all connected non-localy (quantum entanglement) or all different heads of the same mind.

You can also impart feelings quite easily.

This isn't just me and it's not my or anyone else's influence rubbing off on others as no-one told us about this - we just started picking up on it ourselves. Sproggy has known about this for a long time but never mentioned it as he knew we would have to discover it for ourselves in order to believe it. Our little group of 5 are all experiencing the same things.

Maybe try thinking that it could be interpreted in an alternate way - try it as an experiment if nothing else - you might get to see more.

I pretty much directly asked for the experiences I'm getting - maybe that plays a role. Maybe you need to ask to be shown whatever, I'm not sure. To begin with I did think I was just seeing what I maybe wanted to believe, but it's so much more than that - I'm certain.

Dreams are a chance to play in this state, this shared consciousness. I've been having some wonderful dreams since all this started, including a number of shared ones as you know.

I'm not the type to get frazzled by differing opinions/beliefs... so happy to debate or share wherever. In fact, I feel the need to share - even if some might think I'm a cook :afro: I certainly haven't got used to the idea of sharing this much outside of this forum or my group of close friends. Apart from one other forum I thought wouldn't be too open to it and one person who I thought would be open to it and it was received in both very well.

If anything, I took it as a good thing - as you guys checking on my sanity - to make sure I wasn't going down a bad route or something - I only felt positive vibes from the comments :sunny:

Just know I'm safe and enjoying trying to discover the unknown - I might come to the wrong conclusions a few times along the way - but that's to be expected. I strongly believe there is a lot to be learned from the psychedelic experience.

Definitely... in fact it was quantum physics that led me to open myself up to the possibility of the existence of more! It seems quite a lot of theoretical physicists are going down a similar route now too.

It was specifically the observer effect, the prevalence of fractals and how non-solid reality actually is that lead me to open up...interesting to find spirituality through higher-level physics. In the past I had thought that perhaps the beliefs of other scientists who had reached a plateau in their knowledge-seeking/intelligence subsequently created a "God of the gaps" when they could go no further... creating a God because they simply didn't comprehend how things worked basically. Now I think I understand it better.

First the observer effect, you may already be familiar with it - but basically it is the principle that the act of observation alters the outcome - it's been experimentally proven quite easily and I did an experiment on the subject when I was at university. The way it works, within our current model/understanding of the universe suggests an interaction between the observer and the observed outside of our standard linear perception of time. Perhaps this isn't the best way to phrase it, but it suggests that the outcome alters/defines the choice of path... effectively a communication backward in our perception of time.

Now... if time doesn't exist, this is possible... if time is more manipulable than we think, this is possible... or what it finally led me to think - if consciousness is a basic state of matter - then there is no actually interaction as it's all part of the same thing.

So consciousness is everything and subsequently reality is a projection of consciousness - leading me to the holographic universe theorem, which I'd previously shunned.

This also tied in with the lack of solidity of matter (over 99% of matter is free space, solid, liquid and gas states are illusions) and how our entire existence exists as nothing more than wave vibration... which is not a push from the current model - any physicist will agree on these points.

Taking this further, I felt I got to see how time works (not that I claim to understand the function completely) which lead to another post elsewhere on this forum and how it seemingly tied in so closely with fractals. The current model suggests that time is a fundamental property of the universe - it's effectively a ticking clock ingrained in the underlying fabric of space... aka space-time.

I've always had a problem with this interpretation of it and thought that perhaps time didn't really exist or that it was just a side-effect of our existence that we imposed on the universe - something we didn't really know how to think outside of.

The same model states clearly that matter and energy are the same thing.

Energy condenses into matter and matter evaporates into energy.

Light (or electromagnetic radiation) travels at the speed of light... which is a time-free state. Light that existed both at the beginning and the end of the universe has only existed in a single, infinitesimally small, instant... as if it didn't exist at all, yet its there - it's almost a paradox in itself and contains a vast amount of energy. Light is just the timeless communication of energy.

If we look up at the stars now, the light that hits our eyes is exactly the same "age" as when it left the star. Light is not subjected to time. All light exists in an unimaginably small instant, an instant that cannot be quantified.

This led me to think that time is not a fundamental state of the universe - if it was, then light would have to be subjected to it too.

Perhaps when this energy is condensed into matter, it forms time as a by-product... it's a side effect of the condensation process... so in the parts of the universe where there is no matter, there is no time. Again... holographic universe. I think when this condensation happens, the photon spirals in to form the basic quark (or whatever sub-quark may exist) in a fractal pattern... explaining why fractals exist everywhere in this universe, they're a very dominant pattern.

Another theory I had issues with previously was inflation... the universe started with a bang, then miraculously for something like 10^-17 of a single second, it expanded dramatically - breaking our accepted laws of physics - only to slow down again and go back to agreeing with our laws. Just because it felt like it... hmmmmmm

If time is a by-product of the condensation of energy and as is commonly accepted, the universe began with nothing more than energy - it would completely explain it... there was plenty of "time" for the universe to expand a great deal before the energy density became low enough for it to begin condensing into matter and creating time.

Then there's zero-point/vacuum energy... if you have a perfect vacuum, randomly there will be explosions of energetic particles and anti-particles that will subsequently destroy themselves and fade back into nothingness. I used to think perhaps this was energy from another dimension, now I think that maybe it could be little explosions of consciousness. Although those two may be the same thing.

To me, it suggests creation from nothing more than light... an energetic explosion of consciousness in a way.


Religion is a set of belief systems... so I guess I'm trying to form my own personal religion in a way... although I'm trying my best to stay free from rigid belief systems and just leave myself open. Once you tie yourself to a belief system, you stick yourself back in a box and I want to be free from boxes.

 

Tasty:

Just remember that our eyes (and our feelings) lie. Psychedelics are not an antidote to this, and like any medicine, they can also be poisons if not used correctly. Taking things at face value is often a bad idea, even when face value appears to contradict everyone else's face value.

 

exactly. this still holds true once we have seen the light from eating psychedelics.

i think i'd like to try some of that crystal that you got though :daisy:


i'm not a physicist at all, i do genetics and biochemistry. physics has interested me for a long time, especially quantum stuff...but it goes right over my head. i can't get a grasp on it, though i haven't tried very hard.

light does have to obey time in one way. it takes time for light to travel long distances. so if we look up at the stars...don't we actually see light from some stars that have actually burnt out or went supernova or something?

light would have left the star say 50 light years away. the star could have blown up in the last 49 years and we wouldn't know it yet.
photons not having an age might just be unrelated to this though. i've never heard of this age-less aspect of photons. interesting.


i'm gonna make sure to look for words on my brother's face next time we are faced
or see if i can influence or see my friends' visuals.

it's pretty fun to manipulate your own. my brother was a pro at that his 2nd time tripping. he was having way too much fun "making grass grow."
and at one point he described a giant octopus that was under the sand. it was pulsating up and down. then he's like "right now...i'm am 10 ft up in the air on this thing." [that's about 3 meters for you, tasty]



bump for donating blood
and starting to "juice" (we got a juicer the other day)

 

Yes - that's how we see light.

Light, from our perspective, takes time to travel through space at a "constant" that we've set.

But that, I think, is a side effect of it's condensation into matter. We are light/energy, fundamentally - that's all we're made of. We vibrate at a certain frequency and that dictates our current three dimensional experience.

I'm talking about from the perspective of light itself... a photon dose not have an age - it all exists at the same infinitesimally small point, an un-measurably tiny period of time... to even call it that makes it sound bigger than it is.

According to our sense of time... photons to not actually exist... sort of.

I find staring into the eyes of my fellow trippers has really helped me learn to tune in to this - try just staring for a while and thinking up random things - see what happens.

Definitely... I'm only just learning to manipulate my own - I've pretty much been on a ride and just enjoying the show up until recent trips.

 

In the psychedelic world some things are capital T True and other things are delusion - and everything in between and beyond truth and delusion. Discerning correctly can be difficult at times.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yNoUTPRbl0"]Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary (removed and re-uploaded) - YouTube

 

Not to be too much of a jerk....

But dude, a lot of that is just not true at all.

 

Definitely... it's up to the individual to discern.

I know that I could have picked up on many misconceptions... one of the few things I know for certain is that there is truth available within the experience. How you interpret it, what conclusions you draw from what you're presented with - that's up to you.

:sunny:

Not sure which bit you're addressing directly - but what I've posted about the status of photons is commonly accepted by mainstream physics... photons are created and destroyed in the same instant. The photons that hit our eyes are the same "age" as when they were created.

It being a side effect of the condensation is my suggestion.

We are nothing more than vibrational energy :sunny:

 

juicing is awesome. do you have any concoctions you are wanting to try? you'd be surprised how yummy some of them can get. you can even get stuff that is really healthy that would seem nasty juiced (kale, spinach, parsley, etc.) and then just add an orange or two and make the taste almost unnoticeable. The drink I make most often has kale, carrots, oranges, and beets in it. I go more for nutritional value rather than taste but it's definitely not bad. i bet primarily fruit drinks are really tasty.

 

the only juice we have tried so far was celery, cucumber, kale and apple. first time we used one apple and the juice wasn't bad, but wasn't good. 2nd time we used 2 apples, and ginger. much tastier. 3rd time we barely had any cucumber...even tastier.

but that was just finding stuff around the house, as my wife bought the juicer after she bought groceries last weekend. next time we can go shopping with juice recipes in mind.

seems like kale has gotta be the best leafy green to juice. we got a huge bag in the fridge.


do you use a spinning blade juicer, or one that slowly crushes it? we got a spinning one, and now i read about how it lets the juice oxidize b/c of high speeds and friction. the other kind of juicers are supposedly better, but i'm sure this kind is still pretty good.

 

Why do you think kale would be the best leaf to juice? In my experience it doesn't get too much out of it...but I don't know of any other green that work better. It helps to dip it or run it thru some water right before you put it in though.

I have a spinning one as well. I've heard about the friction stuff too and I'm sure a slow crusher would be optimal but I'm not really worried about it.