Psychedelic Bump XX

My mom told me she's been in the k hole before. What an arkward conversation that was. Lol

 

LOL! That's pretty funny.

 

I was like 13 when she told me that, lol.

Edit: your jellyfish are pret—ty bad ass.

 

I can just imagine that conversation 'Chrissy, Mommy has to tell you something... In mommy's younger years, she used to enjoy to take high doses of cat tranquilizers.'

Edit: Thanks for the compliment on the jellyfish sig.

 

lol

My last few psychedelic experiences haven't really got over a ++. Last night's 4-HO-MiPT trip was a waste of time due to it being in a social situation. I should have taken it alone so I wouldn't have to put up with people's shitty music. I have one more week of school and then spring break, then I'll indulge in some 2C-B, alone

 

It went more like this:

MOM: I know you smoke pot, just don't do anything stupid like coke or herion, or fall into the k hole. The k hole isn't fun.

 

Well, she said "ain't". My mom sounds like a hick.

 

I never understood this, I heard this too growing up, that there's this drug called "K" but sometimes when you use it, you fall into a "k hole" and that's a bad thing. The k holes the whole bloody POINT of the drug. I think this meme started and exists because people who are not really ready for the insane places ketamine can take you, try K at a party or something expecting a buzz, get way out in galactic mode and are couch locked, and have a bad time cuz they thought it was a party drug. It is, for the right party

As someone in this field I would not recommend to you to begin worrying about particular addictions treatment paradigms. There are as many as you want and you can create your own custom one. Addiction is as fundamental a human aspect as is getting angry. You are asking for something very, very specific, and what you will be educated on in school and learning about is firstly the foundations of social work which include psychology, sociology, and various skillsets including communication, cultural aptitude and self-reflection. What is your educational background? Have you ever worked in any social work job? If you're really serious about this I would generalize your knowledge base. There's a lot you have to learn and do before you are in a position to be giving someone with a drug addiction direction in getting clean.

You can go ahead and google "addiction treatment strategies" or "how does rehab work" or something but you'd really benefit more if you broadened your general knowledge of psych, soc, history/politics, world religions . . . . etc. The details of the action plan are often determined by the agency, and/but should be flexible for the client, so at this point, months and months before even day 1 of year 1 of your schooling, it's of no consequence.


I had a great time on 50mg bee. I wrote a reply here actually last night but must have forgot to hit post. There were no issues and it was insanely visual and fun.

 

OH MY GOLLY GOSH GOODNESS GRACIOUS it's finally happening.

I haven't tripped since August. This coming weekend I'm going to a sweet-ass cabin in the woods and eating a little less than 1/8th of shroomies and about 175mg of mescaline (sulfate). I will be with my friend H and another friend of his.

Holy hell I am so excited.

My goal is to be really productive this week so I have no responsibilities or concerns to think of.

I am @ a weird place in my relationship w/ my gf...trying to decide whether to break up with her now (which I am 75% sure is the right thing to do, sooner or later) so it's not looming over me for the trip, or wait until after I've tripped (see if the trip brings up new insights about the relationship that would change my approach). I would have to break up w/ her this week which seems hasty to me but also...kind of a big thing to have off-balance in my mindset going into the trip...decisions, decisions...

 

jaredfelix: don't forget to write us about your experiences after first trials (separate thread would be nice)... i also consider ordering and still don't know what amount of it will be needed... ;-)

 

Watch, if you wait till after the trip, to hear about her running around saying horrible things about drugs changing you and making you do mean things

 

Thanks for the reply.

I'm more looking to read up on the reason addiction happens, rather than the different approaches for rehabilitation. I'm looking for studies on the genetic disposition to alcoholism, environmental factors that may lead someone to addiction, etc. I'd also be interested in some memoirs written by recovered addicts. I've never had an issue with substance abuse myself, and I find that memoirs and personal accounts (even some on this forum) are helpful in understanding the path that leads someone to addiction.

 

are you currently enrolled in a post-secondary institution? I ask because if you are, you have access to academic journals, which would have the bulk of the information you seek. If not, finding addiction testimonials and such at a public library or online should be trivial. Addiction is very broad and I'd be reluctant to rattle off environmental factors that predispose to it. There are some obvious ones, like poverty, lack of infrastructure, lack of treatment and awareness about drugs, etc. But really it's such a diverse phenomenon, for example the rate of cocaine and heroin addiction on Wall Street is staggeringly high, and that is basically the social polar opposite of your "typical drug addict". There are also cultural forces, very strong ones. In western society we adore cigarettes and alcohol, and so we see the majority of addictions in that realm. Availability, economy, all play a role too, go close to the middle east and you'll see more and more opiate abuse. Closer to south america and more and more coca abuse.

Here's a fundamental sociology concept that lept to mind while thinking "what makes someone become an addict?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

Durkheim's fascinating study of anomie showed that suicide rates increase in times of economic hardship, and in times of economic prosperity. This was because in BOTH cases people found their situation vis. society changed, norms were not in tune, and for some individuals this precipitated suicide. One of the first scientific studies to formally show the existence of social forces on individuals . . . suicide was and is still thought of to be a highly personal event, yet here is a purely social mechanism that fluctuates its rates! I know this is about suicide and not drug addiction explicitly but one can see the resemblan[SIZE=2]ce/connection.[/SIZE]

 

There is a book called "The Big Book" they provide at Alcoholics Anonymous which may be useful for you in terms of understanding some enviornmental factors and personal accounts, perhaps NA has a similar book. Also in "Ketamine: Dreams and Realities" there is a chapter devoted to anecdotal stories of addiction so if you can find the pdf of that or something may be worth checking out.

I can't really think of any literature at the moment outside of scientific studies and text books discussing genetic components of addiction.


Oh Yah... Also James Frey A million little pieces is must read on the issue. His convincing accuracy and attention to true details is unparalleled.... Kidding!

 

yeah, i meant to type acetaminophen, aspirin was a typo. but i never take aspirin, i remember my mom being scared of reye syndrome (which i know nothing about, but the "fear" of it has stuck) when i was a kid. so i've always taken ibuprofen on the rare occasion i take a pain reliever.


some pretty cool articles at that link someone provided a few pgs back

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729052.300-the-self-the-one-and-only-you.html?page=1

 

Writers post addresses what you're looking for better than this, but...
(interesting post Writer)

This wouldn't be very helpful with the first bolded statement, maybe the second. The ideas, concepts and approaches of AA started earlier in whats been called the Oxford Groups. What you may find interesting is what is supposed to be at the core of the AA "program". And that is the causation of a spiritual experience. The 12 steps are supposed to create that, often a slow or unfolding one but a spiritual shift none the less.
Why this is interesting to me is because that is what Dr. Osmond discovered lsd could do and claimed a success rate far higher than AA or any medical treatment has ever claimed, to my knowledge.

Ya, Bill Wilson did lsd. AA's little secret.
And this.

One of the cofounders of AA, coming from money, traveled to see Carl Jung for his alcoholism only to be told he was hopeless, to go find some sort of religious conversion. He got sobered up in the Oxford Group.
Anyhow what I wanted to get at is, in reading AA material or better yet the Oxford Groups stuff, is that everything is very Judeo-Christian religious, the writings from that time reflect the religious saturation in everyday life. Kind of off putting for some. The Oxford Group was very Prussian in their belief systems and approaches and their reach was pretty far and wide. From the temperance movement to meetings with Hitler, it's hard to say if they did more good than bad.

http://www.silkworth.net/aahistory/oxford_group_connection1.html

And here's the AA book with all the stories, if you're looking for more of that.

http://www.silkworth.net/bb/contents.html

The main accomplishment of AA was to reduce the religious dogma in their program, but make no mistake there is a lot of God talk.
You know, "spiritual but not religious" type acculturation.

 

At this age, you're entirely safe from reye's syndrome, which is some sort of interaction between certain symptoms and aspirin (and some other meds, I think you can also get it from peptobismol), which kill your kidneys, I believe.... or liver. But I think it's kidneys.

Anyways, some paranoia about giving it to children is understandable, but by 20 years of age I think you're more likely to fall into a timewarp, than to get it.

 

thanks roor. i know that i'm not gonna get reyes syndrome now, but that's why i've always taken ibuprofen rather than aspirin or acetaminophen...out of habit. still got like half a bottle o' percs though.

 

Bump for a really nice day, blowin out the cobwebs and no drugs but caffeine.

 

bump for celebrating the life of my great-grandma-in-law.
she passed away in her home after being found sitting wide awake at 3AM in the dark, then refusing to take her meds around 6AM. seems like she knew it was coming.

she made it past 102 years and had a great life.

(uh hum, might be a good spot to close this thead haha)

R.I.P. Nana:angel: