Psychedelic Bump XX

im dead..

 

Yeyyyyyyyy darrrkkkknesssssss

 

Bump for 5-MAPB. Bit better than it's brother, feels really similar to MDMA at times, then swerves away into stimland.

Looking forward to 6-MAPB anyway..

 

its brother being 5-APB? is the M an additional methyl group? this is the first time i've seen anything about "MAPB"

 

Just on my way back from 300ug LSD & 30-35 mg 2c-b. I was going to stick to just 2c-b, but wanted to test out this combo in time for NYE

Wow! I've never had such a lucid trip, wonderful link between normalish rational mind and its ability to affect the visuals. Some awesome things with guidance, usually I find guidance pulls me out for a bit, but this was very different. I was allowed to play with it and importantly to me, allowed me to hold on to bigger ideas for soooo much longer and play with them

It felt like I got to live in my partner's mind.

I feel like I got to know how different the feminine headspace is on acid

It was a really fun experience.

 

Bump.

 

How was your night Eat? Good show?

 

Stunningly beautiful visuals, really enjoyable headspace... I am in love with this combo... Although its missing a bit of the spiritual side for me, so it's not an every trip deal.

But very very good for:
- club/rave
- sensual explorations with other half

Last night, it was like I was an extension of her mind... It was a really cool experience, so different from any past trip.

The 2c-b dose was a touch overpowering on the body load side, it kept me quite stationary for a while... Lower dose of that for going out.

 

Bump for weed + Kava Kava

 

^ how did you ingest the kava?

 

Kava extract tincture, took it in a couple shots chased with odwalla strawberry drink.

 

I can't imagine a club/rave setting being good on ~300ug , in combo with something else or not.

You are seriously hardcore Weat! We're all different with different predilections and tendencies, and some can enjoy settings that would send others into a tailspin. The last time I did that much lucy was a year ago in Hawaii and at the peak, wandering an isolated beach I was about 50% ego-dissolved and wouldn't have handled a mass of people well at all, let alone the sensory flooding of a rave scene.
On the other hand I saw the full Shpongle show on 35mg of Bees and that was near perfect for that show. The psychedelic enhancement of light and color and sound, coupled with the mellowing and heart opening I feel with that substance was a perfect choice for me.

So question I have is, did you spend the peak of your experience in a club, or did you go there after that during the afterglow? I can see that being amazing with your other half, one on one but can't imagine that kind of dose in a rave.

Weed? Must have been a special occasion. How did you like that combo? Did you even feel the kava over the weed? Your weed tolerance must be about as low as mine.

 

Not really any special occassion except for my friend's first time trying Kava. I like that combo, we smoked first then dosed the kava, my friend had a good description of the combo. "Oh wow, its twisting the pot high."

The Kava enhances the spaceyness of weed, provides more clarity and greater anxiolytic qualities but doesn't really add any euphoria. Kava only lasts ~2 hours for me and I definitely notice a drop off but I had one redose shot to maintain plateau and sync with the weed duration.

 

I'm seemingly extremely lucky with how my mind operates - in both normal setting and while under the influence of 'cid.

I learn... at a rate that's unfathomable to most people & have already learnt to contextualise any experience that could potentially be considered a "bad" trip... What I do with it is deal with, take hold of and twist any thing along those lines into something funny... I can do this without having to "wake up" my rational mind.

I also take a lot of information from one trip to the next... I lose a large amount when I'm sober, but as soon as I enter a trip - it seems like a lot of that knowledge from the previous trips is brought back.

Because of this... I feel I can handle larger trips rather well.

Not only that, but I can calculate some rather amazing things, in my opinion.

For example, the first trip I was on where I experienced rain. I was able to pinpoint individual rain drops from their sound... I could tell when I drop was hitting a certain object & picture it with my "third eye".

Next time... I had made this subconscious & in doing this, I could do it to lots and lots of drops... to the extent I could see what the wind was doing, see what the clouds were doing - picture the waveforms... all from the noise of how the rain drops were falling with my eyes closed.

I can seemingly trace particles back in time to their origin, usually not very far... but that's one of the things I'm pushing to expand on in my trips. I love how my mind works

This pushes me to try higher doses & as such... I feel "used" to the likes of a 300ug trip - to the extent I'd now consider it a relatively mild trip.

My trips start getting extra specially fun at 500ug+ :afro:

I now know I can project a relatively normal persona on that kind of dose - so dealing with bouncers, despite their eyes rolling around their head and merging - I could still hold a conversation with. It wouldn't be the most fun of experiences... but can be done. Crowds don't bother me.

As for the stimuli - I can add and remove what I want, so getting over-stimulated on that dose doesn't seem to happen. The only thing from this trip that was holding me back was the body load from the 2C-B. So next time, I think 300ug + 20mg should be a very good combo for going out. Take the dose higher & yeah - overstimulation could be a problem.

The CEVs I'll be getting & OEVs from the lasers/lights will be awesome, let alone the way it will make me feel. I think it's just the way it reacts with me, speaking with friends who've tripped... my trips are very very different from theirs. It was very interesting seemingly experiencing what was going on in my partner's mind the other night - it was as if I was an extension of her mind that night! It seemed like a form of shared consciousness, I was mimicking her mannerisms to the point it was surprising me frequently lol.

I would have loved to have tripped with the likes of Terrence McKenna & Timothy Leary.

 

Maybe I'll look into that tincture. I've had the prepared drink twice on Maui and not felt anything strong enough to say, "oh, that's what it's like". Though my friends there have said that what I had was the milder "tourist" strength.

Merry Christmas Guer. :eggnog:

 

No club this time, this was a trip at home, testing the combination out in order to judge doses ready to go into London on New Years Eve to watch the fireworks and then head to an awesome club

I have a rather powerful sound system that can rival clubs (relatively, for this room - at least) and also various stimuli like a powerful animation laser.

Lasers on 2C-B = WOW!

Lasers on 2C-B + LSD = mega laser tracaers... something rather amazing to behold

 

Good tripping skill indeed. Key word there is contextualize.
This is the major reason I feel I've not ever had a truly bad trip even though several times things have started to go that way due to setting and/or people.
This is a basic skill that's good to learn if one is going to persue tripping a number of times. I've turned things into "funny" in order to keep the scale from tipping to the negative, but the contextualization I usually use is to focus on concepts like connection between people or the environment, stepping out of myself to diminish the importance of "my trip" in order to connect with compassion. And then if necessary change the setting if need be.

:2thumbsup:

I had a very strong 4 aces trip on the island once and got into a thing with a developing rain storm. I'd never seen clouds "bubble and boil" like that. It was one of the single most strongest psychedelic experiences I've ever had with nature and got so tuned into it that I could "sense" on my skin the strength and flow of positive ions from the electrical activity in the air and could predict when the rain was coming. I found myself under shelter literally as the first drop hit me, then stood soaking it all in as a giant downpour hit.

But do you actually enjoy the saturation of crowds during a trip?

Now that's interesting. I've never learned to do that, except for as I said physically removing myself from some of the stimuli.

I've not felt much body load on 2C-b, nothing like -e. But I've not gone over 35mg. 50 is on my to-do list.

I can see a club being good during the afterglow, post peak. Tell us how it goes

My sound system is as well, too much for my house actually and not in a room designed for acoustics, hard wood flooring and all. But with 7.1, speakers spread around the room with a sub that makes the entire floor act like a sonic diaphram, laying on the floor in the middle of that is pretty damned good.

 

If you try out a kava tincture, make sure it has listed the amount of kavalactones on it and of course don't follow the doses it suggests on the bottle. I require 2 shots of roughly half the tincture and I pretty much require a chaser that has a bit of a thick consistency like the odwalla (Maybe oj would work), soda doesn't really mask the Kava taste much.


Merry Christmas

 

It depends on the crowd... the place i will be going, yes - I will thoroughly enjoy the crowd because it will allow me to feel them enjoy themselves and I will revel in it.

The fireworks crowd however, no - I won't enjoy that crowd most likely - but that's when I'll either make it humourous or tune it out and focus on other things.

It was that rain prediction trip where I learned to do that, i tuned out everything else and only the rain came through.

It seems to just kill my energy and I get a bit of stomach cramping that can be a bit off-putting. I'm sure with a lower amount it will be fine, but I'm still quite new to 2C-B - so it could just be something I'll get used to/over or maybe I'm just unlucky in how my body responds to that substance.

I really want to be in the club during come-up, it will colour my trip beautifully & I want to experience the most visuals while in the middle of it all. Not too soon after the peak, I like to be somewhere a bit more mellow... so I think taking the 'cid as I'm walking to the club might be the best option for me.

I'm still figuring out which way round I want to take the substances - will likely only figure it out on the night lol!

Currently - I'm thinking:

20-25 2C-B 1-2 hours before the fireworks
300ug acid on the way to the club
then perhaps a small 40-60mg MDMA booster for later or also for just incase something does take me by surprise and it sends me negative... MDMA is a fantastic mood enhancer. I try to avoid candy flipping though, I find it kills my visuals a bit - even if it's a nice "feeling" experience.

Oooooh yes... My primary system is 4x Kef iQ7 floorstanders, a Q9c centre & 500W Kef sub, all going through a Denon Amp.

My secondary system is valve amp hooked to a pair of Kef R900s.

It's funny when you can hear the whole house creaking / vibrating from the sound system when upstairs

 

Yes, 5-MAPB has just recently became avaliable in a number of EU vendors.

Has a much quicker come up time(20-60minutes), shorter duration (~4 hours), and a bit of residual stim which can be slept on but felt the next day.


Heres a TR copy and pasted from BL;

SUBSTANCE: (1-(benzofuran-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine) Aka- 5 MAPB

APPEARANCE: Light Tan with an almost slightly light orange tint

CAS:N/A

5pm: Bombed 100mg of 5-MAPB in a rizla. And so it begins.....

5:20pm: Can't be sure if this is placebo, but my legs are starting to feel slightly rubbery akin to a 5/6 APB comeup. My vision also has an almost soft overlay about it, and the residual tiredness from the previous night out had faded. Also worthy of note is the fact I haven't eaten since lunch about 5 hours ago.

5:30pm: Wow! This substance seems to climb a fair bit quicker than 5APB, as considerable lightness in my limbs is present, and touch feels awesome. At this moment in time, I'm dancing around to status quo (yes, I know I'm old and sad) with a massive grin across my face. My pupils are also fairly dilated now, and the music whilst sounding fantastic, also has a distant feel about it. To expand, those familiar with the APB's may know that upon the comeup, it can seem if you are trapped in a 'no-man's land' between slightly off baseline, and effects having taken force. With MAPB, this is present to degree, although it isn't as pronounced. I would go as far to say that at this point, MAPB has a subtle methylone-esque about it.

5:50 - 6pm: The rushes of euphoria have become more intense as the hour mark approaches, with scalp tingles being bought the the fore during a head massage that I asked my Girlfriend to give me. Needless to say, it was Godlike, as the already great bodyhigh of 5-APB is improved with MAPB to where it is ALMOST on par with MDMA; so close to the point that if I had been given this in a blind trial between MDMA at 5-MAPB, at this point in time, I would be assuming its MDMA I had been given.

6:20pm: This is where MAPB and APB begin to show their differences. A forewarning, MAPB is quite stimulating, and the heart rate increase is on par with good ol' dose of MDMA, if not more so, so those of you who found 5APB to stimmy, this may not be for you. Empathy wise, its there, but we aren't talking 'go and hug everything type empathy. Whilst I felt compelled to talk openly to my significant other, and felt very close to her throughout this experience, the empathy seems quite forced in comparison to MDMA, and I would go as far to say this substance won't make you break down barriers with your arch nemesis.

6:30 - 8pm: Yes I know this is a large time gap, but as akin with the APB's, time dilation kicked in quite badly, therefore making accurate time keeping a bit of a challenge. Already peaking, the tactile enhancement still remained orgasmic, but the jaw clenching was fairly bad, despite dosing 200mg of magnesium prior to dropping. Once thing is for certain, the serotonin activity with MAPB is huge, as I found that during the peak, I was drowned in what I can only describe as a sense of perfect contemplation with the world, and a grin so wide that my face actually began to hurt. On a positive note, the sense of being floored was minimal compared to 5-APB, and instead I was overcome with endless energy to dance and move, which was a welcome change to the monged out state which 5-APB can produce.

8:30pm: To my surprise, I'm still going fairly strongly, with perhaps the only exception that the empathy has diminished slightly. However, one aspect I would point out is the issue that throughout the experience, the vasoconstriction has been fairly strong despite moving about frequently. Considering I get near zero vasoconstriction on MDMA and 5/6APB, I considered this a major negative of the substance. Whilst the vaso wasn't dangerous in any way, I found that it was a considerable enough concern which stayed in the back of my mind throughout.

9pm: The effects had lessened to a slightly more noticeable degree now. All I can really say here is: 'more of the same, but less'. Furthermore, MAPB begins showing a few similarities to Methylone, as the experience begins to to creep into lingering residual stim territory with some remaining tactile enhancement and empathy.

11pm: By now, the empathy had faded completely, and I was left with some of body high remaining and a sense of contemplation. This would of been great if it hadn't been for the stimulation which insisted on poking its head out until the very end; a bit like Methylone at this point.

12pm: Settled down to sleep at this point. Can't be sure at what point I drifted off, although I do know I tossed and turned for a fair bit. I felt quite exhausted mentally at the end of this experience, most likely to the massive serotonin activity ( I would probably dose 80-90mg next time).

Overall, I would say that 5-MAPB is a midde-step between 5APB and MDMA. We are definitely getting closer to achieving a 'MDMA replica' experience, and I'm sure once 6-MAPB is released, a combination of these two compounds would equal or even surpass MDMA. There are moments where MAPB is virtually identical to MDMA, but then just as you think its heading in that direction, it takes a detour to Methylone-residual stim-vaso shitheap. For now, I would say that MAPB isn't worth using as a DOC, as it is simply more the 5APB that some know and love, with added tactile enhancement, stimulation and vasoconstriction, and that we will have to wait for its 6 variant to appear before we witness something special.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/656704-5-MAPB-100mg-InExperienced-Nearly-there