Psychedelic Bump XVIII

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  1. CannbisSouL

    CannbisSouL Smoke 'till you toke. Lifetime Supporter

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    It's quite an enjoyable sight, isn't it?

    I find it to be particularly visible at night. You can just sort of stand there and watch the energy flowing without really even having to concentrate. It nearly feels surreal to be tripping and be looking down at big buildings, especially with something like mushrooms that has a very organic and earthy vibe to it.

    At night while tripping I also find stars to be a lot more visible than they usually are, which I suppose is another effect of psychedelics dilating your pupils. It's almost like my vision becomes clearer and more "sharpened" while tripping.
     
  2. SuperPsychMe

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    Well for the Laser show we have decided to try the 2cc/2ci combo. Should be a good time. Does anybody have experience with this combo? I only have about 34mg of 2ci so thats about 17mg each and I was thinking 10-15mg of 2cc on top of that. We aren't really looking to trip too hard, especially since we'll be out in the city and have to take the train back home, which can get strange at night to say the least. Could go lower with the 2ci and increase the 2cc dose, maybe 10mg 2ci / 15mg of 2cc?
     
  3. SinisterBotanist

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    I love love love love the stars while tripping. I just read a few days ago that your eyes take 45 minutes to fully adjust to darkness. On my mushroom trip at night, the visuals at first were getting in the way of me being able to look at the stars. My whole visual field would get really screwy, with tons of visual snow and really bad floaters all over the place. Once I peaked my vision became crystal clear, and I don't think I've ever seen the stars as well as I did that night. When I look at the stars now, I just get a lot of visual snow/static, and it's hard to really enjoy them. I'll see how my static is affected when I give my eyes more time to adjust.

    This might be a symptom of HPPD, which I am trying to get evaluated for. I e-mailed a few knowledgeable people on the subject and they're referring me to a few specific doctors. I'm hoping all the negative feelings I've been having recently (derealization and depersonalization specifically) aren't directly caused by ingesting psychedelics. Regardless, I've been learning a lot in these past few months. The DR/DP might have been caused by my extremely lazy lifestyle, and I'm very willing to change that. Peace everyone!


    Also: out of the following psychedelics, which do you think would be best for sorting out emotional difficulties/general self-analysis, and isn't likely to get really mind-fucky and stay in more empathogenic realms?

    2C-I
    2C-E
    2C-C
    2C-T-2
    5-MeO-MiPT (been veeery interested in this one but it seems more recreational than anything, still want to try)
    4-HO-MiPT (this one is supposed to be real shroomy, which in my experience gives way to real mind-fuckyness)
     
  4. SuperPsychMe

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    2CI has some wonderful empathogenic effects and can be good for self analysis. Mind fuck isn't too strong but the trips I've had weren't as impactful as other substances. Still a wonderful time.

    I find 2C-E not very empathogenic, some what analytical. Most people find the mind fuck fairly strong with this one which I don't really get. It is fairly strong mind fuck but it's also clear and practical if that makes sense. Can be an amazing trip

    Never tried 2C-C but from what I have read is that its more empathogenic. Pretty mild psychedelic and not heavy in mind fuck. Probably not the best for sorting out personal issues. Again I have no personal experience with it yet

    I plan on trying 2C-T-2 tonight. I feel that this is more of a solo chemical. Supposed to be pretty introspective, which may be a sign of mind fuck. I have a feeling that this one will be very good for helping with for personal issues once the sweet spot is found.

    I have probably 10-15 experiences with 5-Meo-Mipt. In a calm, hang out at home with a friend or two atmosphere it feels more foggy, confusing and not very empathogenic. A pretty good amount of mind fuck as well. However when I tried it in more of a party setting it was much more empathogenic, stimulating, and clear headed. Moxy is wonderful for a fun time, but I dont see it helping much with personal issues. I have no experience with 4-HO-MIPT and have not spent much time researching it, so I have nothing to say about that one
     
  5. felix4life

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    I would say a small dose of 2c-e is most likely the best.
    Chapter 6
    A Most Remarkable Material, 2C-E

    http://www.maps.org/t2e/c6.html

    2c-t2 gets alot of praise but I haven't tried it yet.


     
  6. guerillabedlam

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    @sinister botanist: Id say 2ci best fits those qualities for what you are looking for.
     
  7. Mr.Writer

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    2C-I as others have said. No contest. 2C-E is mindfucky and very weird. 2C-C I found light and recreational. haven't done t2 or moxy, but have read that both of those are highly mind fucky (moxy low doses is supposed to be like mdma, but still). Miprocin is one of the best at mind fucking :)

    I found 2c-i to be VERY clear headed and to immediately lean my mind in an analytical slant. I wouldn't rule out something like miprocin though for helping with issues . . . I mean its more of a gamble, are you gonna spend the trip thinking about where your life is headed or engaged in a cosmic battle between the forces of the color blue and the shape square. But when it does pierce through into your mind I think it may very well go far deeper than 2c-i/mdma, exactly on the premise that it swirls your mind around like mush, potentially revealing deep things.
     
  8. SinisterBotanist

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    Thanatos to Eros is what made me interested in 2C-E and 2C-T-2. Myron has been on SO many trips but he never really talks about mind fuck type of things. Most of his reports seem to be about going inward and healing inner issues, which kind of runs contrary to what I hear about 2C-E being mindfucky. But since he's a very experienced researcher, I'm sure he's found how to concentrate on inner issues. Or maybe the mind-fuckyness is filtered out, or taken to be a normal part of a psychedelic experiment, but not an important one. I'm prone to get very distracted with mind-fucky type of things (like Mr. Writer said with a battle of color and shape), rather than looking inward, or so it seems.


    I forgot to mention 2C-B in my original post. How does it compare to 2C-I when it comes to mind-fuckness? Out of all the entheogens out there today, I've wanted to try 2C-B the most. I've read of its ability to bring you into your own body and really enjoy being "in yourself," which really is the only place to be. It just seems like an extremely wonderful trip.
     
  9. porkstock41

    porkstock41 Every time across from me...not there!

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    i've found 2ce to be pretty empathogenic, myself. at least two people i've talked to have agreed. i haven't had experience with more typically empathogenic compounds like MDMA though. nor have i tried 2ci.

    but 2ce has had me feeling like i WAS my tripping buddy. when things happened to him... i felt it! i also have had visions of being other various types of people during a 2ce trip. it hit strongly on the topic of oneness for me.

    so for me, 2ce is empathogenic. but it can also be pretty "mind-fucky" and just plain weird like writer said.
    i don't think there's a reason why 2ce can't be both introspective and mind-fucky.

    i've also seen it mentioned a few times, and it's my own opinion that 2ce can cause HPPD-like effects pretty readily. faster than LSD.

    maybe tripping more isn't what you need for your depersonalization/derealization. that seems like more of a problem than the HPPD.
     
  10. SinisterBotanist

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    I'm for sure not going to trip any time soon, but I'm still very curious about a lot of these compounds. My intuition tells me that the DR/DP is something that comes from my own psyche, rather than being genetically predisposed to experience negative feelings after psychedelic experiences.

    It would be a big gamble to try and trip again, but there are accounts of people experiencing chronic DR/DP and being bettered by psychedelic experiences. MDMA typically brings temporary relief, but I'm not sure if there's any way to make it last. One person claimed to be "healed" by a series of ayahuasca sessions, and Ann Shulgin ended her psychedelic crisis by a 2C-B trip. But I do not have the aid of a shaman/therapist, so it would be best for me to work out my issues while sober. Only when I feel confident will I consider using a psychedelic again. It's shit because I want to dedicate my life to studying these materials.
     
  11. SuperPsychMe

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    I have another question for anyone here. I have 60mg of DPT and I was wondering, should I just use it all at once (when I'm ready) or use it while already tripping and use 20mg or so at a time. I feel like DPT has the potential to have wonderful synergy with other psychedelics.

    I much prefer salvia when I'm already tripping as opposed to sober. Its nice having your ego pre softened and making the transition smoother. This has resulted in beautiful, blissful experience vs the usual uncomfortable salvia trip. I feel it may be the same with DPT, where I would get more out of it by using smaller amounts in combination with other psychs. Considering trying this for tonights 2CT2 trip (Think I've settled on 20mg oral). If I do it will probably be on the tail end of the trip. Feel like it may go well with 2ce as well
     
  12. Popularity

    Popularity Senior Member

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    I saw mewithoutYou in concert last night. I love these guys so much. Top 5 bands of mine for sure. They have a loud sound a lot of the time but also slow it down in their newer stuff. Very unique sound. It's almost like speaking to melody, like a rap. It just flows so well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4g-3WRXIts"]MewithoutYou-In a Sweater Poorly Knit - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Jfk3lp_Nc"]mewithoutYou - Nice and Blue (Pt. Two) - YouTube

    In other news of mine, I spilled over 500mg MXE into my rug the other day. Saved about 30mg before it dissolved into the fibers. I was angry for the first day but got over it lol.

    It's funny how I read every single post in these threads but don't chime in all the time. I just don't want anyone thinking I just come in here to post my own stuff.
     
  13. porkstock41

    porkstock41 Every time across from me...not there!

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    i find 2cb to be a lot more clear headed than 2ce. those are the only two 2cxs i've tried.

    it is quite a wonderful trip. bringing you into yourself is maybe a good way to put it. i think you'd be interested in reading my wife's trip report on it. she struggles with things like depression and anxiety.
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=426573&f=126

    i can also link you to my own reports on 2cb if you want.


    writer, haven't you compared these two drugs to each other? at least the visuals or something?
     
  14. felix4life

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    Myron does have a chapter dedicated to bummers:
    http://www.maps.org/t2e/c7.html

    He is also a big advocate of low doses because they require you to look into what issues are really bugging you instead of being blasted past them and into cosmic consciousness. 2ce at a low dose 8mg-12mg works real well for me. I haven't figured 2ci out yet, sometimes it can bring out alot of anxiety and sometimes its like a total candy psychedelic.

    2-c-t-2 is next on the hitlist. I really want to try 2c-b also.

     
  15. guerillabedlam

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    2cb tends to be more visual or at least the visuals I find more interesting and they can kind of be mindfucking at times but overall It's usually very serene. 2ci tends to be more analytical, whereas 2cb is generally very fluffy and easy to navigate for most, 2ci ping pongs back and forth more between fluffiness and sort of a colder sterness.


    Explore DPT all 60 mgs at once on its own. It seems like snorting it tends to cause more nausea than my preferred ROA with DPT but it shouldn't be too uncomfortable at that dose range.
     
  16. felix4life

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    Please do report your findings.

     
  17. Mr.Writer

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    First I will say that if you have 2c-b in your options, then you have found the one to take in my opinion. Nothing bar LSD has been as therapeutic for me and my gf as 2c-b. It really is therapy every time. It is also the most fun and recreational substance i've ever consumed I think. I cannot stress how much I am a fan of 2c-b :)

    In terms of comparing the mindfuckiness with 2c-i, I would say they are fairly close. I have quite a limited experience with 2c-i, and have done 2c-b a dozen times at doses from 15mg to 50mg.

    DPT is not a mixing substance. Do not mix 60mg DPT with anything. Do not. If you are really curious about mixing DPT with things, you need to first snort 60mg of it by itself so you can see what kind of strength this monster has. I think you will agree with me that the last thing on your mind, even during the come up, is "I wish I did more" or "I wish I mixed this with another psychedelic". You don't get anymore psychedelic than straight DPT. Here is my trip report on 80mg to give you some ball park idea of what 60mg might be like for you.

    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=361720&f=126

    Yeah :)

    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=6671265&postcount=4
     
  18. porkstock41

    porkstock41 Every time across from me...not there!

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    ^^seems like that post was comparing 2ce and 2cb

    i meant 2ce and DPT
     
  19. SuperPsychMe

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    Will let you guys know how the 2CT2 goes. I will wait to do the 60mg of DPT at once, I'm sure its for the better and I'm sure it will be a very powerful trip. If its good or bad it will at least be an experience. I'll probably give it a try in the next few months or so
     
  20. SinisterBotanist

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    "But if it takes this to appreciate a robin singing or a bud blooming I am not living my life the way I’d like to be. We had many talks. I don’t feel these things will “teach” me something I don’t already know or won’t figure out eventually. It is not a treatment, a solution or a doorway to something unknown. It is an experience, plain and simple. Make what you want of it, learn what you will. Please don’t tell me I cannot make such claims until I’ve done more of something. If you believe nothing else, believe in the free will of the individual." < really liked that bit. I'd like to read your reports too. And I look forward to reading the T-2 report, SuperPsychMe.
     
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