Psychedelic Bump XVIII

I don't get it either. I tried it once and didn't find any value.

 

Ya, I saw that too. Respect, sure. Did you catch the parts about the legal wrangling with Gilmore and the rest of Floyd? I remember all that and it just came across as petty bickering over the money and no longer about the art. Floyd was playing to stadiums and Waters was playing to small venues and you could see the bitterness when he talked about that.
He was the egoist that choose to break up the band. People wanted to see THAT band. Now that alot of people have forgotten all that, he's filling arenas.
Not trying to take anything away, he is a major talent. It saddens me that something as amazing as Floyd had to succumb to money squabbles like so many things do.
That stage does look spectacular, they always have been since the early days.

I've seen Floyd 3 times and saw Waters on his Radio Kaos tour. Any of those cats live is guarunteeed to be a good show.

 

yeah i don't see the big deal about coke either. it was alright, but just not my thing.

closest i've come to seeing pink floyd or roger waters was "the pink floyd experience" (a cover band) at the college i went to. i took a couple hits of acid and went with my girlfriend at the time (now my wife). they had the floating pig, so that was pretty cool, even though that was before the HF pig had really infiltrated how i perceive myself

the crowd at that show absolutely sucked. there were chairs set up on the floor, and security was encouraging people to stay seated. lame...but the music was pretty good. lead singer looked kinda like darlene from the show roseanne.

popularity, you saw these guys too, right?

 

I think we can say 4-AcO-DMT is safer than 2C-Xs, despite there being less research on it. It should be deacetylated in the body to 4-HO-DMT, Psilocin, and while it's plausible 4-AcO-DMT can cross the blood-brain barrier and is active in its own right, or that it has other active metabolites, I can't see anything that could even plausibly be considered any more dangerous than Psilocybin, Psilocin, DMT and other natural tryptamines.

For all intents and purposes 4-AcO-DMT should be treated as the acetate-Psilocybin and kept in this way mainly because it is easier to store than Psilocybin or Psilocin themselves. I also think the majority of differences in effects between 4-AcO-DMT and Mushrooms or pure Psilocin can be put down to the different ratios of 4-AcO-DMT to Psilocin in degraded product, and the fact that the time it takes to break down the 4-AcO-DMT into Psilocin alters the trip. Furthermore Mushrooms themselves have Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin which may or may not be active in their own right.

It's akin to different strains of Mushrooms having various alkaloid ratios.

2C-X on the other hand are not close enough to anything that has been researched thoroughly, and they haven't been researched well enough themselves. Are they safe compared to other classes of drugs? Certainly, but as for them being completely safe though I definitely couldn't say that. I'm even on the side of saying that with regular high dose use the more dopaminergic 2C-Xs may be neurotoxic and dangerous in a similar to other stimulants. Just speculation, but I definitely feel one should be more cautious with them than your average tryptamine for example, and not go pushing the doses to heroic levels, redosing constantly, or taking them every few days etc.

Bump once again for this upcoming rave on Friday. I'm very excited. Though I'm considering switching out the 6-APB for 5-APB, since I find 5-APB to be much more serotonergic, while having 3-5x less effect in the dopamine department, which while not lending as much to recreation on its own, would probably work great in combination with a psychedelic.

 

well, the part about 4acodmt being deacetylated into psilocin is just a thought, one that makes sense, but it's not been proven as far as i know.

my guess is that 4acodmt is itself active, since it hits in ~5 minutes when taken orally. i suppose enzymes work much faster than that though, so they would have time to convert it if necessary.

guess it's hard to say without ever having tried isolated psilocin or psilocybin to compare.

if 5apb is more serotonergic, maybe it's not such a great idea to combine it with a (mostly serotonergic) psychedelic?

 

It's the safest conclusion to make since our body has deacetylase and dephosphorylase enzymes which break down acetate and phosphate esters respectively, the latter being responsible for breaking Psilocybin down for Psilocin, and the former should be involved in the breakdown of 4-AcO-DMT into Psilocin.

As for the quick timing, in my experience it is actually Psilocin itself that's responsible for this quick come up time. When I had high purity fresh 4-AcO-DMT come up times ranged from 30 minutes at the very quickest to 1 hour 30 minutes depending on the dosage, but once my 4-AcO-DMT had degraded this dropped and come up times with the degraded powder range from 10 minutes to 50 minutes, usually around the 15-30 minute mark.

There's a good article on Erowid about the investigation into degraded 4-AcO-DET, that proved the major result to be 4-HO-DET (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_article1.shtml) - this and the fact that 4-Acetylated tryptamines would go through hydrolysis when exposed to moisture in the air makes it fairly obvious that most of your product will be degrading directly into Psilocin.

If you want to compare to regular 4-HO-DMT and don't have a place to source it, your best bet would be to take a small sample of 4-AcO-DMT, add some moisture, and allow for ester hydrolysis to break it down into 4-HO-DMT and Acetic Acid. I'd only bother doing this for a dose at a time since 4-HO-DMT is very unstable and iirc breaks down completely into inactives.

As for combining 5-APB with a psychedelic, by serotonergic I'm referring to its serotonin releasing properties, rather than serotonin agonism like a traditional psychedelic - I think the empathy, enhanced touch etc would make for a wonderful addiction to a psychedelic trip, and maybe better than something more stimulating. Then again, the euphoric dopamine push might help overcome any anxiety the 4-AcO-DMT might otherwise bring, so I'm unsure.

 

Terrence Mckenna the tryptamine guru died at 53 of brain cancer, hardly the advanced age of some of the other well known long time psychedelic users. He had several seizures before he passed as well. I'm not saying that Mckenna's use of tryptamines was completely causal but it certainly may have accelerated the process like the claims that article makes about heavy PEA use and heart problems and strokes. So no in my mind there are no definitive things we can say in regards to safety in long term use.

 

I thought about your post and was thinking how you must have been witness to that. Also if I recall correctly, you first dropped acid ~79 around the time The Wall came out, that must have been an exciting time when that album came out.

Being a guitar player myself, I've always favored David Gilmour as the primary creative force behind Pink Floyd, in fact if there are any guitarist I attempt to emulate in my playing he is near the top but I think A Momentary Lapse of Reason is proof that something was lost when Waters departed.

 

Not a huge fan of Waters as a person, but he is an amazing talent. I'm just glad that I got to see an original Floyd member at least once in my life. Wouldn't call her my girl yet I didnt take her but she was there and we met up during intermission. It was an insanely visual performance, enjoyed every second of it. I do plan on taking her to see Laser Floyd here in the next couple of weeks where we will almost definitely dose.

Also I feel that Waters was in the wrong with the dispute with Floyd. What could have been if they stayed together.....................

 

^^freudian slip?

with your reasoning above, it follows that any 4-aco-dmt that degraded to 4-ho-dmt, would fairly quickly degrade to inactives.

4aces is more stable than psilocin, so if 4aces degraded into psilocin (and storage conditions were not changed), why wouldn't it degrade almost immediately into inactives?

 

nope

 

Have to agree. I feel that Gilmore was the performing glue that made the sound, and Waters more the writer, tho most of the best stuff they created was as a team.
I never saw The Wall, I wish I had. It was huge when it came out. It's why I may go see it if he brings the show here. I saw the Momentary tour both indoors at an arena and outdoors at The Coliseum in the late 80's, then at the Rose Bowl in 94. That last one was the best show I've ever seen. Both in quality of sound and performance and just in sheer size of spectacle.
It was something like this.. Pork, check out the pigs with lit up eyes at about 4:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrNQCYh70Y"]Pink Floyd - One Of These Days - YouTube

Laser shows are pretty fun too. Never dosed at one, do tell us how it goes
And ya, agree on that last part 100%.

 

Bump for this weekend

 

what's on tap for the weekend?

 

^^^her posts usually leave something to be desired

the other day she said "OMG 2ce!"
that is all

 

I guess you already left, but:

Sounds like it could be due to conditions, if it even responded properly to a technique for mescaline.

If you DON'T consume it (which I would expect to be fine) you could try re-crystalizing again, as precisely in every way as you can, or find out how to wash it and then crystalize.

I expect it's not synthetic, but extracted-mescaline most always will be, I think-when they say synthetic, they're assuming you're a retard, and describing pure mescaline, free of cacti material.

Also, I wouldn't mix LSD and opiates...... Sounds happy and all, but a total waste of acid-if you want a positive, good-vibey acid trip, candy flip, methinks.

 

Wow talk about impulsive. Generally I recommend more planning. Post-bump for DMT. Very warm and comforting trip. Got taken to hyperspace nursery area and encountered some chill entities. First time with the molecule since February. So much love and light.

 

4aces, no 2 trips are ever nearly the same for me.

 

:daisy: Spicey :sunny:

 

Sometimes less words are more.

And hoping for much love and light reflected back to you.