Psychedelic Bump XVII

Dang man, I've been mostly unimpressed with aMT as well, although I didn't dislike it either. I definitely plan to do at least 50 mgs if I explore it again but I've heard reports of nausea at higher doses and I thought that my suggestion was reasonable for first time with it from what I've heard reported here from those who enjoy it, your recent stronghold as resident low doser and erowid aMT dosage as well. Hope that Khush enhances things, seems like a lot of glowing reports as aMT as a mixing drug.

 

Just cleaned my place, had some energy to do it, maybe becuase of aMT. I agree, i heard reports of it being somewhat like MDMA but that is probably at 45mg + range. Oh well, will bump it up next time fo sho. going for the Khush in a few mins :sunny:

 

Yah high doses of aMT are supposedly like Mdma and LSD I've read which has me somewhat curious to explore it but I've come to learn that often those are just listed as benchmarks to make general comparisons from. Alot of these chems seem to have a empathogenic oriented trip at a certain dose and than raise the dose a bit and its more of a hallucinogenic trip but they don't quite hit the marks which made LSD fuel hippie culture and MDMA fuel rave culture.

I feel like LSD and MDMA benefitted from their somewhat unique dose ranges and pharmalogical action. The super potency of LSD sort of feeds into it's mystique a bit and MDMA has that higher dose range which it kind of only shares with other mdxx chems/analogues and mescaline and goes well with that particular experience.

 

I was disappointed too. As I recall it was in the 50mg range and if you consider "cadillac" to mean long with cushy suspension, then thats about it.

 

Do it :2thumbsup:
Might as well make it a memorable occasion, right?


So even those of you who have done high doses of aMT here don't really find it to be that effective? I've gotten the best results when I dose 50mg or around there.

Some months ago I tried my first oral dose of ~50mg of aMT, and to my surprise, I barely even got any nausea. The euphoria from that dose was just really nice and cozy and serene.

 

I suppose "effective" is an individual thing. Ya for me, it was effective. Had no nausea at all with 50 either, a bit stimulating, a little buzzy, but just sort of "there".
Eh.
I hoped for something more like your description. GB may be right, may be a better mixer.

 

makes me wonder what a culture built around 2ce would be like...

and why is there not really a "shroom culture?" well not counting ancient tribes, i guess they are probably the most widely used of the classic psychs

 

possibly just because it's a lot easier to take a pill or blotter at a rave or concert than to sit down and munch several grams of mushrooms?

 

Yah and shrooms and mescaline were around when LSD blew up, just as aMT and other mdxx were with Mdma, which makes me ponder this.

I guess Owsley Stanley and The Texas Group played big roles in getting large production and distribution for the respective chems, which some of these other chems may have not gotten before the internet really took off. If there is a bit of RC culture, it seems rather diffused over different chems and the fact its for the most part it seems relegated to an online thing.

I could be wrong but I think LSD use was more commonly used than shrooms in the 60's and 70's with LSD reaching its peak use in 1973 or something. But to your point, yah I don't understand why shrooms haven't really developed a culture with its continuous widespread use.

 

I think maybe because LSD and MDMA were both "new" to the scene and generation that developed into "hippy" and "raver". I know both chems had been around long before the sub-culture surrounding them, but not in the public eye or availability. Also remember at the start of both "revolutions" (hippy, raver) LSD and MDMA were both still legal. I think the initial legality may have more to do with it than anything else.

Plus mushrooms tend to provide a harsher psycho/emotional experience than the other two substances.
I know more people who veered away from psychedelics after an uncomfortable shroom experience than an uncomfortable LSD experience.

In my circle in the '70's shrooms were much harder to find than LSD and were regarded as "special".
Although there was the guy I met in about '78 who came down from Oregon with a 33 gallon trash bag full of dried cubes.

that's my 2 cents on the topic

 

Quality post! Yah I agree with what you say about their initial legality having a lot to do with it, I've certainly seen chems in recent years have spikes of widespread use due to legality, most notably mephedrone and mxe. Perhaps the use of LSD and MDMA in psychotherapy and stuff preceeding their popular use gave them both something more significant or lasting to catalyze more of a cohesive culture once they were scheduled compared to some of the untested Research chemicals that come out now.

 

I get a feeling that it's because shrooms are so widely available and misused. People don't really understand the potential that shrooms can have. I don't know about you guys, but most people I know will have 1 gram or 2 of shrooms at a party after they already drank 10 beer. Most people who dose like this say that a shroom trip is just hilarious and that's about it. They don't understand the potential behind the whole thing...

Whereas if you take 1 good hit of LSD or a small amount of 2CE, you are being taken for a ride regardless. When you are going on a decent cacti trip, you might puke your nuts off, so people don't just eat cacti without thinking twice about it.

You'd have to eat a pretty decent amount of shrooms before reaching those depths.

anyways.... that's my theory!

 

...Watched a NOVA Program about whole-genome sequencing last night. Absolutely fucking weird to watch while stoned.

 

That's exactly how it was meant . . . a long, comfortable, easy ride.

I think people take it expecting something on par with LSD when it really isn't, and could never be. It's a great hiking/nature day drug. Energy, euphoria, and functionality, with the shadow of a deep trip all along, and still potential for deep thoughts with right set and setting.

Gonna trip this weekend, don't know on what yet. Was thinking either high dose 2c-e as volupta has never done it or maybe try the 25inbome finally. Or maybe moxy! we shall see.

 

Finally got seen by addiction services today! gonna be started on suboxone soon, couple more appointments first though, drug diaries etc,etc pretty happy about it

From the little info i've read so far these suboxone have a long acting opioid in them called buprenorphine and an opioid antagonist called naloxone to a 4:1 ratio, 4 parts bupe 1 part naloxone, don't ask me how that works but it does.

Apparently if you take any opiates whilst on these suboxone you go straight into withdrawls so it makes for an effective deterant untill i'm ready to say no of my own back. Exactly what i need right now

 

Suboxone is also sometimes used as a treatement for depression so there you have it - double whammy!

 

Yeh i've heard that too, i think thats why etkearns on them, gonna hit um up a pm shortly about the matter also i'm curious as to how the naloxone doesn't block the buprenorphine

 

Not sure. Eatkearne should be able to answer that for sure

 

This really caught my attention and I wanted to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw&feature=g-all-lik&context=G28fbd22FAAAAAAAABAA"]LEAF [ The Health Benefits of Juicing Raw Cannabis ] - YouTube

 

rep for that cop around 7:30!