Psychedelic Bump XIX

They Actually chose the words carefully, it says 'analogous' which insinuates it doesn't necessarily have to be a direct analog but it'll fit the bill of that part of the analogue act that talks about a chemical having substantially similar or stronger hallucinogenic properties as a schedule 1.

It's more a smear tactic on 25i, LSD is already the schedule 1 drug. They probably chose LSD compared to say 2ci because LSD is much more commonly known and 25i is often on blotters. LSD is the bar for comparison for psychedelics for better and worse.

Sad story, I feel 25i-nbome can be used responsibly but even at 2 mgs complexed I had sort of an intuitive sense that the chem wasnt agreeing with my body in some way. I feel the potency aspect gets downplayed somtimes and with the complex vs. Non-complex forms and difficulty in measuring the stuff, viable ROA's to ingest it since oral is supposedly not that efficient, there are quite a few variables to take into account with this stuff.

 

I seems once I switch up. from a trypt to a phenethylamine,, thats when I get some kinda static feeling from the 25's. Its almost like its pushing its way in to channels.
5mg ego death ,, still has me wanting more..

 

Ego-death at 5mg nbome's sounds like it could be very close to normal-death.

 

Roor & GB, I think you guys are reading way too much into the use of the word "analogous". I think in context the statement was more about relating the effects of 25-i to the general public rather than an official statement about the drugs classification.

But, are you really that surprised?
From reading stuff in these forums alone it already has become clear that you can OD from this stuff. It was only a matter of time.

And is it really a "smear tactic" as you claim?
People did fucking die from the stuff, it was being recklessly distributed and abused.
plus remember, people have fucking died from this shit!

Don't really sound like a smear tactic as much as some facts.

Not all drugs need to be defended, some are dangerous ya know.

Why can't these chemist just make LSD instead??????????

There is still as far as I know not one verified OD death from LSD-25 and only one suspect death from it at a dosage level thousands of times more than normal.

 

Noxious if I'd only read your posts as of late I'd think you are completely against drugs and those involved with them cept this last tid bit on LSD.

Read my post again why Chemist and vendors can't make and sell LSD as openly as 25i.

 

There are only one or two known deaths directly resulting from the LSD ingestion.
Also one thing the story did not tell you anything about his toxic report maybe he also was on a antidepressant .antidepressants are known to lower seizure threshold and could have contributed to his death. I have not heard it called N-bomb" in any of the reports I have read.

 

Good thing you know me better than that.
Let me clarify;

I am opposed to the current drug laws and how and why they exist as they do.
That does mean to say that I think every substance should be freely available.
Some shit is dangerous and does need some form of controls.
Personally I would not be opposed to drug laws that actually targeted drugs based on health concerns rather than the half-assed, unconstitutional, racially and politically motivated stack of morality legislature they call the Drug Scheduling.

Problem is current drug laws are not designed with health and safety in mind, regardless of what they claim. But we all know that already.

I am, as most of you already know, not to crazy about the idea of you young people ingesting shit that has had pretty much NO type of trials or safety assessments done. I guess I get scared for some of you taking some research chems and being willing guinea pigs.
This incident validates my concern.

I do comprehend and understand the obstacles to producing LSD....
here;

Why can't these chemist just make LSD instead??????????

that better?

 

dont think so.. This is the kinda nonsense talk is getting drugs banned. know your substance , know yourself. you think I went in on some suicide mission. Just cause some punk kid in NO cant handle his dope,., dont mean everyone else cant.. I dont drink alcohol or redbull.. so dont throw that shit at me..

 

*Hugg's*Orion its ok I am stating that ,I was not jumping back into nbome's at 5mg seeing as my last trip with it was 1.5 mg .I would even go up to 3 mg but not 5mg right off. To me that would just be asking for problems. In no way was I trying to set you off.

 

Need it be repeated: so many of the terrible ills due to drugs are in fact symptoms of CRIMINALIZATION not of drug-use. See Chomsky quote in my signature if you are at all confused by this...

 

The 25i dose on papers is 3mgs (my 5mg isnt much really) .. people cutting it in 1/2 wind up eating the rest in an hour or so. its to subtle a come up to recognize to some. Combine it will alcohol. its null so people keep eating it til they get some activity.. by that time. its to much. I will agree that it does not have the safe profile that lucy has. you cant spike the punch bowl with it. your asking for trouble doing so. And that is what a lot of people are doing with this. I find is generally safe when taken correctly.. 9 times outa 10, kids dont have this knowledge .. Just as Ive seen people smoke synthetic jwh from a crack pipe loaded up to the top. And they wonder why they are having a real serious panic attack.


I received 50mg. actually 56mg , 1/2 that goes to some black chick i know. taking 5mg of their batch before giving to them. around 2pm i did about 1mg nasal. 45min later i railed the rest. I walked to my weed guys house 10blocks away. cars were just melting ooze as I was having a little difficulty crossing the street.

once I got there I was fine. the trees and shit just changing here , now really bright colors all the in fractals. sound was distorted to the max , everything was flanged and phazered. people talking sounded like garble and funky. i was far from home at one point thinking Ill never make it back ever.. so far im 4hours in and now its starting to rain and get cold.

i was getting a little worried about my over all health and called my mom to get me. now Im freezing my ass off cause Im soaking wet shrivering to the bone cold. tripping my ass off , I goto my gfs house cause she has fireplace. I smoke some weed and try and get my heat back but i couldnt, i just shivered more and we have to go outside to smoke there. so it wasnt helping my situation. 6hrs i take 1mg of klonopin and lay on the couch covered with blanket.

jamming to some dire straights on my computer. visuals were intense as if everything in the room came alive and was tunneling to me as I was some center. CEV's were god like. I felt like I was being assembled with all the partials in the room . ego is gone now im at the will of my GF too, she asks me lots of stuff, I dont remember how I answered it..

she says my name a lot giving me identity in a way I dont want it. I want to be somewhere else. not in this time or place. but as pixelated and fractal every thing in the world was , my gf was clear as crystal , she didnt trail or nothing. however I moved my arms I had none. just streams of shadows and thick trials which I couldnt tell the difference if my body was really there.

When I was trying to walk I was just sinking in the ground, my feet would splatter into colors and the ground would ripple in waves.. I thinks it was the most intense trip Ive had in a long long time.. when the kpins finally kicked in I stopped shivering and was relaxed but didnt sleep more than 1/2hr in which I was just spun on CEV and then my friend ron tossed a baseball size bag of weed at my head. looked like a comet .


on friday my gf did some Kpins first then snorted 3mg of 25i, she was smoking invisible ciggeretts. said the stairs were water falls. pinwheel planes flying around , she was tangled in her scarf for 20mins to the point she was laughing and crying at the same time. she said she was dead a few times and that the trees were really scary with the lights coming thru.

friends did it and drove to umphrey's mcgee at stage E. they got stuck there in fractal land cause they couldnt drive back. dudes gf was pissed off cause she didnt know what they had done. classic. she dont drive either.. I told them it wasnt like 4hoMeT.. lol the blacks reported they had the sit the fuck back for a min. they didnt tell me much yet.. Im just wondering what made this batch stronger. Or is it likely to be stronger if this said substance cause damage to the receptor. what if the drug antagonizes it even more after continued use and tolerance drops. it does feel like its getting more intense to me ..:2thumbsup: btw felt good getting ass handed to me. sometime I feel like i just dont trip. little bit the uncomfortable setting made me realize I might be a more fragile than expected. but even so I didnt care. :love:

TR.. :mickey:

black girl later reported some carl sagan shit when she was getting out the truck.. Saying the road was the universe and there was millions of stars and galaxies.

 

:afro:

 

Good report orison. How long does a dose last for you 10 hours to 12 hours?

 

That's sort of the deal as I read it. That agent quoted sounded like he was 'dumbing it down' for the press.
Everyone has heard of lsd, most people wouldn't know what a N-benzyl phenethylamine analogue is. Hell, I don't know chemistry that well.
Again, pay close attention to the media reports and watch how words are used (like GB does) and apply your own experience and you can see how things are twisted. Not always because there is some sinister plot, usually because this is how most of the media is trained. Sensationalize, hype the tragedy of another young life lost, sell airtime and newsprint. Parents get upset and demand action, the govt does what they do, and prohibition continues.
Orison is the only one that mentioned Red Bull and vodka. Hello?
We all know the risk of mixing uppers and downers. Sure, it can be done safely. But even the guys buddy mentioned that his judgement was impaired. You think there's going to be a rational discussion of that?
Of course not.

But speaking of nbomes, just aquired some 25i/c tabs and wanted to ask you guys about roa. Sublingual is obvious to me, but how exactly do you define buccal? Simply between the gums and cheeks, or the gum above your upper front teeth against that main nerve? Or ?
I had very unimpressive results with several trials with some previous tabs that came from a trusted source with nothing but glowing reports from others. From those of you that have had great success, EXACTLY where should I apply one of these orally for best results? Thanks :sunny:

 

the one time i tried blotters like that, i wedged it between my upper gums and cheek on the left side of my mouth. it moved after 20 minutes or more, and after awhile i kept it between my bottom gums and cheek. i ended up keeping the paper in my mouth for well over and hour, and then i removed it.

i was inconsistent in holding my saliva in my mouth (which you should try to do for BEST results), but holding the blotter on the top of your mouth makes it pretty inaccessible to your saliva, so 1) you should be able to swallow your spit with minimal drug swallowed and 2) you won't taste it until it somehow gets wet and spreads around your mouth.

i got about what i would expect from the blotter i took. but i do wonder how efficient the delivery is.

 

I said it was a smear tactic on real LSD.

That is, they say they consider this analogous to (gasp) LSD, which means it's as bad as LSD, there's already even people dieing on this!

See the highly negative connotations this places on LSD?

It's circular and self-reinforcing propaganda. This should be illegal because it's like LSD, and LSD should be illegal because this is bad, and like LSD.

That's what I got from it. Obviously it's not a huge and secret plot, we all know they want to criminalize any psychoactive that ever has existed or ever will exist, BUT it just seems like while in other cases, like with salvia, when they say something "produces LSD like hallucinations", everyone goes "but LSD is harmless", but if they say that this is directly analogous to LSD and kills people (they ARE, in effect, calling it a functional analog, if it's not schedule one but they say it will be treated as such), and this comes in the same dosage forms as LSD, they'll make the words (and prosecutions) synonomyous, etc..... It's just generally bad for the reputation of psychedelics.

 

and....

 

Survivor really?

 

ever see the video. its crazy how anyone with 1/2 a brain can buy drugs in the minimart..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5FCl_oEPE"]Zombie Apocalypse : Talking to "BATH SALTS" Survivor - YouTube

hold on, I need t bump up my trip. b4 I watch it again..

 

I was looking at the pic like what the fuck? Now I get it after you posted the video .yeah I dont think that will not be on my tripping viewing list.