Psychedelic Bump XI

Primal scream are doing the screamdelica album people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O9sLkn3nz0"]Primal Scream - Loaded (lyrics) - YouTube

bestival looks like the best uk line to me this year but i don't want to go due to my family going and ex girlfriend! no thanks ;-/

All about bjork though and the minimal techno there.

 

going see bassnectar in oct. cant wait...

 

One final follow up on the idea of entheogens as anti-depressants or even self-dosing:

If this is what one is looking for I honestly see only one PROVEN and efficacious way - the path of the beta-carbolines/harmalas, the ayahuasca way. Start dosing 2-3x a week with a fully MAO inhibiting brew. And/or start taking regular oral and or smoked doses of harmalas.

Natures anti-depressants are the best and they truly work. Also, they can cure body as well as mind problems, do not lead to addiction and do not have poisonous and ridiculous side effects.

 

How's this for saturday's full moon? Rising over the ocean.

 

Fish: Me too! Where u seein them at?

Voyage: That is an amazing pic!

 

:2thumbsup:
I agree completely Spicey!

Question about MXE. Is it a chemical relative of PCP? If so, has any of you taking it looked into any possible negative, long-term side effects?
PCP does cause permanent brain & liver damage. Wonder if MXE does as well.

Honestly I really wish you young people wouldn't be so cavalier about putting newly developed substances into your bodies.

This old fogey preferrs to stick with substances that have at the very least one generastion of use in humans under it's belt so any negative side effects will have had a chance to manifest. Or at the very least substances that have been clinically studied for any harm. I know the current atmosphere surrounding psychedelics doesn't facilitate such research, so please be careful.

Some of the substances you guys are taking have only been around or in popular use for 10-20 years with virtually no clinical testing.
Before any of you say something about LSD, remember Sandoz spent 7 years testing it for negative physiological effects before releasing it for medical use.
You guys are volunteering to be the guinea pigs for testing some of these substances, so stay safe.

 

Great post, noxious. Thanks!

 

All in the spirit of love and concern.
Just so ya know, when younger I also used my mind/body as a testing facility , almost died from alcohol poisoning, first time I tried PCP, was gone for a couple of days, almost asphyxiated myself sniffing PAM cooking spray, OD'd on Nyquil to get high. Not to mention the many assorted pills, powders and concoctions ingested in search of a high with nothing more to go on than the dealers instructions .
Honestly, I don't really understand how I actually survived it all.

 

I don't want to ruin the mood here but just as I turned 19 just now my girlfriend of 2 years (on and off) left me.

Send some good vibes my way please guys? Much appreciated! You're all such awesome people.

 

someone's gotta do it, ya old fogie

but i think i share your view here. if you're gonna take RCs, at least try to take them responsibly and infrequently.

r u still completely uninterested in any RCs? (if u r who i think...)

 

Not completely uninterested, just wary. If they came from someone I trusted on a personal level and has been tested to be the real deal, I most likely would be willing to experiment.
I doubt that a responsible dose done in moderation would present any problems, but keep in mind you guys really HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE GETTING OR WHO YOU ARE GETTING IT FROM when dealing with the assorted vendors. That may also account for some of the od's and other horror stories surrounding some chems.

I'm just not too keen on swallowing, injecting, plugging, snorting something based on the veracity of some unknown person via the internet who's main motivation in providing these substances is PROFIT.

That should be forefront in your minds when getting these substances.

I'm sure there are reputable vendors around, but it still is like a game of Russian roulette every time you crack open a new supply that arrived in the mail.

Yeah, I probably am the person you think I am.....

 

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that MXE's structure is truly unique. Though it's effects are similar to PCP and Ketamine it's structure is not. Thus, it is not scheduled and in USA they cannot charge you under the 1986 analogue act.

Therefore, YES, we ARE the guinea pigs. Absolutely NO question there. I feel a lot better about myself at 43 and my husband perhaps at 61 doing this than the 18-24 year olds, but I respect the choices of free adults.

There is no question in my mind that I am the guinea pig and that I have no idea of the long term effects, if any, on physical or psychological health. I cannot speak for others, but I'm trying to carefully watch/control frequency of dosing and never redose in a 24 hour period. I'm hoping this gives me a chance to metabolize and minimizes impact. I also always take the smallest dose I want to achieve my goals. BUT, there's no question that if I dose over a certain level I have a kind of dopamine deficiency hangover the next day. Clearly not good in the long or short term.

So, my point is, be as educated as possible. Go into it open eyed - I am the guinea pig and do not know the long term consequences.

The other side of the coin of course is: Do you walk around with marquis test kits? Or even better a GC/MS when you guy LSD? How do you know the chemical is what you think it is? Even if you extracted or synthed it yourself? Short of a hardcore GC/MS, we all roll the dice in a way whenever we consume a substance. Even marijuana bought from other growers has been reported to have anything from toxic pesticides to shards of glass embedded in it. We're all gonna die. Life is not safe. I do consider myself during this one go around a tourist of the Galaxy, consciousness and my mind. Drugs are my tools and catalysts.

 

^^^ right on sista!

 

Oh crap! I quoted you

I can appreciate your position and respect your approach of caution. Some others who frequent these forums don't seem to exhibit the same kind of caution.

I also am fully aware that if I procure some substance all I can really go by is the word of the person I am getting it from, why I only get from trusted sources. Plus experience has taught me what to look out for regarding LSD. If you have taken it a 100-200 times, you tend to know rather quickly if it's the real deal or not. But admittedly it is always a big ? when it first hits the tongue.
I mentioned LSD because it is the one substance that produces such profound effects with virtually no negative physiological side effects, yet it is still shrouded in myth and misinformation. Being the most studied psychedelic known, I feel rather confident and safe when ingesting it and KNOW from educating myself and personal experience the most risk resides within myself rather than the substance.
The same can be said for mescaline, psylocybin and DMT. All have been used for eons by humans and any risks are and have been well known.
Can't say the same for RC substances.

Now if I was indulging in the substances I read about here sourced from various vendors, you can damn well bet that I would invest in the best testing kits that I could. How do you know that the vendor is actually selling you what they claim or that it is as pure as claimed?

I can see getting into much more serious harm from injecting some potentially unknown chem than putting a 1/4" square of paper in my mouth. The number of possible scenarios from taking a hit of acid of questionable origin are rather small when compared to ingesting/injecting 100mgs of some powder or crystal, wouldn't you agree?
As a matter of fact, there are only a couple of chemicals that could kill in doses small enough to fit on blotter, and that would have to be intentional poisoning. So really the worst that could happen short of someone going to ludicrous lengths to poison your hit of acid, is you get an unexpected high from some DOX type substance or nothing at all.
Same can't be said for 100mgs of a powder.


Good to see you back Spicey, I is you friend

 

Speaking just for myself, I know my MXE IS MXE and not K or tilletamine or similar because a biochemist friend ran a sample through a GC/MS. Others are not so lucky.

My main concerns about injecting is improper sterility in drug and needle and injection site prep as well as purity of the substance.

Just playing devil's argument on the LSD/DOX scenario, . . . . ever heard of bromo-dragonfly? Those were deadly blotters. Without GC/MS, you always take a risk. Again, it is risky to be alive.

Another devil's advocate position: For Mescaline to be visionary for me I have to take about 1/8th of the LD50 dose. That's fairly risky/toxic.

But, again, I endorse the caution/guinea pig arguement and always encourage use for specific reasons or goals rather than just to satisfy a jones or numb a hurt. Again, I stress that minimal dosing, not redosing and spacing out dosings with healthy lifestyle choices including good nutritious food and at least 8 hours of non-drug induced sleep a night are essential.

 

Really F***in sucks that I can't PM anyone!!!
guess I just need to be careful what I say to who in the future if I want to enjoy such honors................NOT!!!
:smilielol5:

 

spicey, that pretty much how i was gonna respond to that gassy old dude

he has a good point though. but to counter his point, u can rely on "internet" rule of mouth pretty much as much as "real life" word. i have no friends that are as interested in psychedelics as me. therefore, i am naturally the one to acquire said psychedelics, and it can't be from my close friends...
so with something like LSD...i find it, ask "the dude" in person some questions, kinda go with my gut feeling, and ultimately have to test it out - bioassay style

how do u do it...noxious?

with 2ce (the 1st RC i ever used or purchased), i was able to ask internet friends about their experience with 2ce from my vendor. when i received my stuff, it was after a re-stock (a bit worrisome, as illustrated by what noxious just said), but i waited til other people on the internet had tried it...and basically didn't die. yeah, it's a risk, but i feel it's not much more risky than getting L. and of course it depends on the RC we're talking about.

i have some 2ce and 2cb, which i've personally assayed these particular batches of, 10 and 4 times, respectively. i began with 12 mg of -e, and 36 mg of -b.
how about this hypothetical scenario, noxious?
i invite u over. we chill out and "hit it off" as much as two straight dudes can hahahha. i ask if u wanna trip. u do. i don't have LSD (like i said, this is hypothetical) i offer u some 2cb or 2ce. do u take some? of course it would be a lowish dose since it would be your first. u could even try ~500 ug or so to test for allergies or mix-up with potentially lethal substance. but that is very unlikely, since, i've tested the batches that i'd be offering u


edit: well this post came out a little late.

spicey, what r u considering as the LD50 for mescaline. a quick peak at erowid said 800-1200 mg PER KG for rats. so if it was say 1/4 that amount for humans (200 mg/kg), that's 10 grams of PURE mescaline for a 110 lb person.

this all stems from my real question - am i good with eating a gram of mescaline acetate extract?

shit, i guess that IS ~1/10th the "LD50"
but only if it was 100% pure. which i think it's more like 40-60% (+ other san pedro alkaloids)



noxious, do RCs doesn't mean shooting up. there are MANY that are orally active, and the 2cxs are quite similar in structure to mescaline. of course it's still speculation to infer that they might be about as safe as mescaline tho...

marquis kits or whatever u can get online without spending 1000s, won't tell u much about purity

 

ahhahahahahaha!



Voyage: that pic is amazing!! I'm guessing that's from your trip

 

Glb!

 

LOL

so fucked up that u can't even spell GBL?