Psychedelic Bump VI

Indeed. When possible, I like to be psychedelic as often as I can. You can still take yourself out of this world, even when there is a bit of tolerance.

I don't see how the comeup can be rough for anyone, with shrooms. It's so gentle on the body, and even euphoric, both mentally and physically. Sure, it can kick your ass, but the positivity/negativity of the comeup can make all the difference in the world. That being said, I've never had a bad trip, even though I've actually hoped for one, at times. I believe we should all know what a bad trip is like, and I'll keep pushing myself until I experience one.

I'm not sure how long it takes tolerance to 4aces to return to zero, but I know 2ce tolerance, for me, is gone after 2-3 days. It's been over half a week since my last 4aces trip though, so I'm hoping the tolerance is AT LEAST close to being gone. As long as I trip harder that I did with my first trip with this batch, then I'll be happy.

And don't worry......I don't take your advice as "pestering". I know you mean well. I've already made my mind up though and I WILL be trippin face tomorrow night. I'm so excited that I've been having tremors. hahaha I'm shivering like a mofo just thinking about it

 

Smoke some quality Standardized Salvia Extract.

 

well have a good one TNS. but do you REALLY think you could trip on 2ce 3 days later, on the same dose, with the same effects? i don't think i would. and i KNOW i wouldn't if i continued that pattern for a few trips. but i'll shut up now:sunny:

ha, i was gonna ask if you were dosing with your buddy too! your buddy steve. don't even know you're name cosmo...no need to reveal it though

 

In the past, I've tripped on 2ce every two days with no diminished effects. It doesn't seem to be the same with 4aces though. When I tripped on 4aces two days later, with a higher dose, it seemed to be a little more than half as effective.

 

Same here, I think some people who get any sort of trip dosing a few days apart just assume they don't have tolerance. The tolerance from dosing a few days apart is more of a diminishing returns type tolerance than a full on don't feel the effects at all type tolerance. I can sort of 'push' myself there but it's usually nowhere near as meaningful trips when it's not spaced out between trips.

I remember in the latter half of last year I was pretty much dosing 2cb weekly and noticed diminished effects from that interval but I was having fun with the drug, not really trying to dig all that deep with it.

 

Individual body chemistry and metabolism. I have an extremely high metabolism. I've tested negative for THC less than a week after smoking so much that I passed out and went into convulsions.

 

i recall tripping on 16 mg 2ce one night to stay up all night so i could sleep the next day... cuz i had to work overnight the next night. well in lab the next night i decided to dose 17 mg on a spur of the moment (i was using the scale their but didn't plan on dosing) i tripping like half as hard, so i can agree that 2ce tolerance may not develop as quickly or last as long as from LSD or tryptamines.

but i stand by what GB and i have said. when i was tripping every two weekends or so, everything (well i guess 2ce and LSD) just stopped being so profound. i guess i didn't increase my dose that drastically, but i have noticed a significant "diminished returns" when i dose more than once a month. and i don't mean that a month is the magic number. i think it would be even more profound if i spaced them out by 3 or 6 months instead. and i may be able only take 3 week breaks, but that's pushing it for me.

with all that said, i might dose mescaline only 2 or 3 weeks apart, since my 1st dose had minimal results. but maybe that's all the more reason to NOT dose again so soon

 

It has little to nothing to do with body chemistry to me, it's just becoming tolerant to the experience itself. If you go on a rollercoaster twice a week for a month straight, it's going to be more predictable and mundane then if you go twice a year.

I have also tested negative for THC less than a week after smoking, but never had convulsions.

 

i can agree with that, but i can also disagree:devil:

i eat pretty decently, am 6'3" and weigh ~160 max. i have a pretty fast metabolism too. i tested negative for THC like a week or maybe longer after smoking pretty steadily. though i did drink lots of water and one of those detox drinks (which say drink a lot of water with this so are probably a rip-off)

i think what we are talking about has more to do with brain chemistry than metabolism though. it's not about how fast you eliminate the drug from your body, it's about your neuron receptors re-regulating themselves and getting back to homeostasis

 

Well all I know is that I've tripped just as hard 2 days later with similar doses of 2ce, but not with 4aces. I'm not saying it's the same for everyone, but that's how it is for me.

 

I think it's more to do with this point ^ than metabolism. Even though I know I'd be physically able to trip every 3 days or so, I still space it out MINIMUM 1 week, and preferably 2, just so that there is no loss of novelty. I like to pamper my psychedelic experience so that it pampers me back

This kind of thing is something I cannot risk. I cannot allow a 1% risk of this happening, at least not while I live with my parents. This is so not ok in my books I cannot express. If my friend called 911 while I was gone because he was tripping, I would never again allow my friend to trip in my house. Might make me sound like a tool but there are some operational risks involved ya know? I imagine even greater risks for you mister bottomless stash

PS. An energy drink?! COME ON MAN.

I'm also allllllll about picking ONE chem and dosing as high as you can handle. I don't have experience mixing but imagine its a more "muddled" experience, even if "funner".

 

Just found out that my moms lung cancer tumor was shrunk 6 cms, the spot on her liver is gone, and her lymph nodes are no longer involved. She doesn't have to do anymore chemo and they won't see her again til july.

 

I'm kinda a nomad, I have peeps in The City, love NY state, and it's been a while since I've ventured up yonder. One of these days, it'll be reality. Q: Will it be free? If I have a whole sheet, why not? A: I likely won't have a sheet, so hang on to them shivas, the new ones that is

That's it exactly for me. Somehow, someway, I rarely get a diminished capacity to get to the same place from trip to trip. Opies and benzos though, I develop ginormous tolerance to them.

Originally Posted by cosmoknot
Shit, yesterday on like 1/25th the amount of phenazepam I was on, somehow, after I'd gone to bed but he peed on the floor, lol, then called 911, the popos showed and he just said, "nothin' wrong, can't recall why I called, sorry!" They fortunately left. Oh the things popos can think, god bless their burning little embers of coal hearts for not intruding and making Steve do his alphabet backwards or any shit like that. Oy vey!


This kind of thing is something I cannot risk. I cannot allow a 1% risk of this happening, at least not while I live with my parents. This is so not ok in my books I cannot express. If my friend called 911 while I was gone because he was tripping, I would never again allow my friend to trip in my house. Might make me sound like a tool but there are some operational risks involved ya know? I imagine even greater risks for you mister bottomless stash

PS. An energy drink?! COME ON MAN.

I'm also allllllll about picking ONE chem and dosing as high as you can handle. I don't have experience mixing but imagine its a more "muddled" experience, even if "funner".[/QUOTE]

Well, looking at GB's enthusiasm for caffeine while rolling, I tried it a few times and it sincerely does add to stimulation, so call it what you will, but the more caffeine the better!
Also, I don't live with my parents, so I am kind of living freely. Night before last and last night got a little out of hand, the other night unbeknownst to me. Dude's gotta learn to handle his shit or refuse the higher doses he tends to crave. I'm living in his house, so I hafta handle this delicately, but by morning today (don't wanna go into details) I was reading him the riot act; shall see how today plays out. One thing's for sure, he can clean up his house, it looks Animal House around here, gah! One thing is for sure: If he can't hold it together, I'm outta here in no less than two months. Fuck this shit. I kept telling him he was too high to move about, and what would he do, promise if he needed anything to ask and I'd get it. Instead he just bumbled about and wrecked the place up, and, had popos here since he fell and couldn't figure a way back up--three fuckin' times! Now APS is getting involved, which for me is a scary situation. I had fun, he had fun, but he wouldn't listen to reason. I loathe obstinance. Ugh.

Good to hear, cancer is bad, life is good! Now you and Writer can co-celebrate

 

bleehhh I can't decided if I want to trip right now or wait until thursday. I kinda have the runs right now though....so I'm thinking thursday.

 

lol Shitting can get overly intense while tripping.

Also, that's good to hear, G0dm4ch1n3 I'm sure she's hella happy about not having to do chemo anymore.

 

Hey guys, I tried LSD for the first time last night. I only ate a tab and got very mild CEV's for a couple hours or so. Other than that, not much happened. Would it be safe to assume that if I dose 4-aco-dmt today there wouldn't be any noticeable tolerance? Or would I be better off waiting a couple days? I guess I'm just eager to get a "true" psychedelic experience since my scale just came in today.

 

Wait three days and then eat 40mg of 4-aco-dmt preferably in a secluded outdoor natural location

GM, awesome news! arty: :cheers2:

 

so you live with 'steve,' the same bumbling, pissing dude, and HE was the one that called the cops. i dunno why it's hard for me to get your story straight... i think you always called him "my friend" but i would have understood better if you said "my housemate"
whatever though.

i thought the caffeine thing was silly too, but different strokes....
i'm not a fan of caffeine in generally, i used to never notice its effects at lower amounts, but recently even low amounts have had my heart beating uncomfortably...
i don't think i'd ever mix caffeine with a psychedelic. if you're already snorted 30 mg 2ce and 25 mg 2cb, and some molly, do you REALLY need an energy drink?

i've never even drank an energy drink that i can recall. i've tasted a monster and a redbull a few times, but i've never bought one. don't seem healthy to me.

bummer that you didn't get some decent tabs for your first trip...

you should wait AT LEAST 3 days before trying 4-aco-dmt. let your 1st trip be a great one, not minimized by even slight tolerance.

what dose are you thinking?

 

It's complicated. I live with Steve as a trade-off to take care of him when need be as he's a stroke victim, in exchange I don't pay rent, or for anything except some food and half the electricity. Now, he fell like five or six times last night, my back is too bad to be lifting a 200lb. man off the floor as dead weight into the chair. He was in agonizing pain, and begged me to call 911 three times. I think he was massively delerious and hypomanic, certainly discombobulated, no sense of orientation or direction, couldn't carry a single thought for hours without it spilling into the next one resulting in absolute gibberish. I actually told the pig off to lay off with the stern, macho cop talk, that he could speak in an indoor voice and get the same point across. That pissed that cop off good, but APS is being notified, so this place must be shipshape before those invasive fuckers show.

Steve is all four things to me: Support, a friend, a housemate, and a tripbuddy. The past two days he's been getting himself into a lot of trouble, and though he's got 20 years tripping experience under his belt over me, I am the more reasonable, rational one of the two of us. He's got some hubris, perhaps from having to use a powerchair and his wife passing recently, IDK. Either way, we had words, everything's settled, but we've got some SERIOUS straightening up to do. So my story is straight, it just lacked some crucial details. This is the guy who offered me a pad when I was homeless for two months, he's been giving me half his Vicodin for my back pain, he's a good guy... sometimes if he gets too high, he goes bonkers and/or doesn't give a shit about the moment, so pissing on the floor, a-okay, falling five or six times and bitching at me then demanding I call 911, a-okay. It's time I ween back those doses wouldn't you say porkstock? Mostly it was a great night, but yeah, due to his infrequent tripping, though he likes to go to the moon, it's in his best judgement not to methinks.

 

Yeah I guess I'd be better off waiting; better make the first time a good one. I was thinking somewhere around 20-25mg as I've read some TR's about people getting blown away at ~20mg.