Psychedelic Bump VI

So, I have a question for you guys...
Is it just me? Or, has the convo here the last few days over the last 8 pages or so been alot of.. "it was like this for me, and if you don't do it like that you don't know what you're talking about" kind of thing. Maybe it's just the way I'm reading things, dunno. It seems the only one that's shared experiences without being condescending lately has been GB, alot of the rest come across (to me) as "no dude, ya gotta do it this way", usually with the disclaimer that they're not pushing their trip, but none the less, "you don't get it."
It "feels" to me that there's been a bit of trying to not step on toes, while still proclaiming "my trip such and such was so much more than yours" even while acknowledging the difference in individual experience.

 

I'm familiar with HCL and fumarate. What is HBr, and how does it effect molecular mass, or concentration of the base compound? (if im using the correct terms)

 

I hear what you are saying Voyage, loud n clear but well this IS the internet and this IS a forum and like in typical forum banter fashion; opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

 

True, I guess I gotta take that into account. I'm acutely aware that what I "hear" is not necessarily what was said.
Also, I'm still kind of floored by reading all those pages of banter while I was slipping into afterglow the other night.

 

There has always gotta be a dick waving contest going around here somewhere. This thread just happened to be it recently. lol

 

Quality post, and many valid points. Also, that's crazy about the wreck. I think I speak for us all when I say I'm glad you survived

Pork....I apologise if it seemed like I was trying to push you into something you don't want to do, because that wasn't my intention. I'm not very good at putting my thoughts into words sometimes, and I can see how some of the things I said may have seemed condescending but, like I said, that wasn't my intention.

The main thing I was trying to convey is that I REALLY want you to have a high dose experience with 2ce, if and when you are ever ready to do so. The reason I want you to try it is because I think you're an awesome person and you deserve to experience that shit. lol If you never decide to take that plunge, that's cool, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed:tongue:

eace:

 

How much did you (or attempt to) dose?

 

^^^i know you don't mean anything bad about it, TNS. everything's gravy.

molecular mass is the correct term, and H Br is a hydrogen and a bromine instead of H Cl (chlorine)
if you take a look at the periodic table, you can see that Br is larger than Cl (79 amu vs 35) so the HBr is slightly less potent than the HCl. i wasn't aware that there were 2cx fumarate salts

but i think voyage was pointing out that while it's nice that everyone has an 'asshole' and comes here to share it, it's not so nice that everyone thinks that their asshole is the prettiest.

the forums really aren't the place to come for a psychedelic trip. i come here all the time though when coming up or down, but you can read some negative threads and really influence things..

 

The last few pages have gotten a bit emotional but not in any bad way, just good online friends bickering about difficult to describe subjective experiences of cosmic impossibility

I like everyone's points, even ones I might disagree with, and I think these kinds of discussions are great for a third party reading them to see the highly varied way these medicines can be applied.

I certainly don't harbor any personal dislikes towards anyone I have posted to, quite the opposite in fact.

I totally understand where you are coming from pork, I just like to both play devils advocate, and push people's buttons / test their limits. It's harmless fun for me but I understand it can be annoying, especially in this electronic text medium where you can't see my facial expression and such. But for example, you know how highly I regard DPT, and you know I highly regard pr0ne's opinion, and I have still yet to do 200mg of DPT, which is like pr0ne's alpha and omega psychedelic experience. Hell I'm scared to even repeat my 100mg experience! Lol. So I am not opaque to your and cheese's viewpoints just stirring the waters and seeing what happens. Sometimes, occassionaly, rarely, someone will read someone else's opinion, and actually go beyond their own personal limits to investigate a claim that interests them. For example me doing 60mg 2c-e was just such a night. I can only cross my fingers when I post my annoying "pushy" posts and hope someone says "Ah, what the hell." and gives it a shot. And if they don't no biggie

we're all in this alone, and together.

 

^ All so true Writer and Voyage.

I realise the discussion has been a little heated recently but I admire it for that in the same way I enjoyed Enter the Void, or a good book, the feeling it produced, the intellectual exchanges, swapping of opinions.

So GM is right too the medium totally makes something as beautiful as what I just described look a little bastardised but I love it.

 

Eggzakly

 

I am master plugger.

I usually go the liquid solution route, as the one time I tried plugging with a capsule was pretty uncomfortable and didn't really work at all.

 

76mg, 38mg per nostril, but it flew all to the back of my throat choking me. I tried snorting lightly to try and avoid this but I totally failed. I felt a warm fuzzy shaky rush after 20 min or so starting in my feet then up to my head but that was about it. I have ~99mg left and I do not think I am going to try and snort all of that powder. I just blew blood out of my nose. I'm going to place an order for some syringes in the near future and give it a go along with a few other chems I've been interested in IMing.

 

Just stopped by to say... it's almost Bicycle Day!

Also, i believe there is a full moon right now!!
Tripping under a full moon is a great thing...believe me haha.

 

Is that so? You really enjoy stuff going up your ass then? :afro:

 

LOL, I told ya ya shoulda waited for a bright, wonderful, sunshiney day to take your mescaline porkstock Maybe next time you'll listen, heh.

Anyway, to answer your question, I really can't say one way or another (and I don't know that you can either) if having taken six hits two at a time spaced out over an hour and a half decreased their potency... perhaps you're right and I'd have fried much harder had I dosed all at once. I tell ya what, next time I take acid, I'll take six dots at once to compare and let ya know, 'cause ya may be right, who's to say... maybe you're right, maybe not. Maybe I am. Anyway, I'll do the 'acid test' (literally) and dose all six at once next time I fry, k?

Huh? Wha? Why would ya wanna shoot up, and what particularly, with someone you'd classify as "dumb"???

You too, huh? Maybe porkstock n' gang are correct, maybe folks like you, me, and Hallucinations just have incredibly high tolerances and thus, need WAY more fuckin' dpt to really get to planet x, hrmmm...

I too was in a car accident that left me crippled irrevocably for life, hence being on disability. I used to be a graphic designer, but that goal in life was shot to shit. My girlfriend of the time died in that wreck and I still cry sometimes at nights over her. That experience shaped much of who I am today. I too am surprised I lived through a car hitting an embankment at about 70 mph, after the breaks were hit on a windy road in Central Cali where the car flipped twice, broke my sternum, collar bone, cracked my skull, and broke my c6, t4, and t5--that one so bad as to be inoperable. I also developed a much worse case of PTSD as a result of it all. I too believe that drugs and heavy machinery do not mix and will rail against intoxicated drivers, even drivers on pot. In the words of Jerry, "I will get by, I will survive". I am Sisyphus, I am Atlas. I push that boulder up to the mountaintop time and again, I hold the weight of the world on my shoulders, and I do these things because I MUST, life is a precious gift, and even if we're reincarnated, even if the soul lives on beyond this mortal coil, what we have is worth preserving! Thusly, I carry on as I do experiencing all I can to rejoice the bounty that life is! I take sikes to enhance my life, I believe more in the ancient matriarchal archetype in which altered states are revered not frowned upon. I've mentioned it before, but it bares repeating: Look to the ancient Greek Oracles or the ancient Egyptian or Mayan rituals in which psychedelic plants were consumed to reach states of enlightenment; I know I'm not a Mexican shaman as Cheese pointed out, but my aim with psychedelics is not too far off from the aim of any Mexican shaman. I want to gain better understanding of the ineffable.
While you may disagree with me on certain points, I'll try and summarize my views in such a way that maybe can frame them in such a way so as to make more sense.
After the accident, I was a hateful, bitter man making series after series of irrational, horrible decisions. I eventually came to my senses and became a loving, caring, sharing individual. Psychedelics have largely shaped my world views, slightly before my car accident but mainly some time after it; any which way, it was a long time coming before I got back into the world of sikes. As a matter of fact, I even stopped smoking pot and taking drugs in general for several years after my bout with Serotonin Syndrome and developing HPPD as a teenager. I had some terrifying (at the time) experiences that drove me away from sikes after my incident on a single hit of acid, inexplicable things that went beyond the strangeness of deja vu, prophetic dreams, and the like. I didn't know how to handle it. In time, I began to integrate those very ideas into my life however. I was once an athiest and now I'm a very spiritual person.
In the hospital I saw my girlfriend's ghost just before she died, she came to me and explained very lovingly in a bittersweet way she'd soon die and I must learn to live on without her. Likewise while in 'hyperspace' on dmt I've experienced the epiphany of god I've explained previously. Maybe these things are correct, perhaps not. We all need to respect everyone's unique beliefs and choices. I personally choose to believe in these things, and while that may not work for you or anyone else, it does me. Christianity or Buddhism or Islam or Hinduism don't work for me, but it's cool by me if they do for others (even if I think those beliefs are silly... less so with Buddhism, but even that one still).
Long ago I explained to porkstock that if he's not ready for high doses or bizarre combinations, he should not take them because in all likelihood he'd have a bad experience which would taint his views towards sikes. I'd suggest the same towards voyage and Cheese and any other low doser, and I'm one of the hardest hardheads on here and know it: And so too do most all of you! While I agree with TNS and Writer that you guys don't know what you're missing and that you really don't get the full experience until you hit those massive doses, I also recognize that everyone's psychophysiology (or simply their physiology) is different. Hell Writer, when you were railing against me for my hairbrained scheme to take like 20 high doses sikes at once, and I uncannily used the same expression GM just used (opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink) you cited an example of someone on here taking a moderate dose of Molly and a moderate dose of moxy and winding up with Serotonin Syndrome!!! What if that happened to porkstock BECAUSE he took 50+mg 2ce??? Wouldn't you guys even feel the slightest twinge of guilt???
I'd hope, voyage, that you're not throwing me in the bracket of people on here, as GM put it, "having a psychedelic dick measuring contest", because I'm not. You may disagree with my philosophies, and that's cool, I'm sure I disagree with some of yours: But one fact remains, I have never and will never push my views or beliefs and have NOT done so within the past eight pages here or so (or any other thread where this same basic debate has gone on).
You know, science and religion, just like humanity, are constantly evolving. The science of Copernicus and that of Newton are NOT that of Hawking, Sagan, or Kaku. Likewise, the religions of our current Dali Lahma and of our current Pope are NOT even the same as their direct predescesors! Likewise, we as humans don't even physically resemble in many ways our ancestors of 10,000 years ago!!! Everything is subjective, including reality. My reality is not yours, and likewise, my drug experiences are not the same as any of yours. True, there is a group consensus of how much of a drug and how a drug will affect a person, but it's only a TEMPLATE for said drug, not a Golden fuckin' Rule! What works for me obviously doesn't work for porkstock or Cheese, and not even Writer (and often not even GM)! We're all unique individuals and that must be respected. The point of these forums is to compare and contrast and to ultimately LEARN from one another; there's nothing but razzing and turning people off when we start proclaiming that "you aren't experiencing a drug's full potential until you take 'x' amount... or... you won't have a true spiritual awakening until you dose 'x' drug in 'x' set/setting". How do you guys know what's going to or not going to work for another human being? As I've said, god is you, is me, and we're all one, and one with the universe and likewise, as such, we each lead ourselves to our own individual destiny. We each experience our own universal truth, and though some overlapping goes on there as we're all part of that same ever-evolving system, ultimately we're all alone in our journey through life to the grave.

Please guys, respect each other's views and opinions, facts constantly change and nothing is going to work identically from one person to the next. I'm absolutely certain we can all agree on erowid's mantra: Know your mind, know your body, know your drug, know your source. IMO TNS *and* porkstock KNOW their shit, but for THEMSELVES and THEMSELVES alone!

I'll end with this, let's all agree to work towards world PEA's

 

I've got a bike you can ride it if you like, it's got a basket a bell and rings and things to make it look good!
I'd give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it!

:sunny:

Damn do I ever wish I had access to my bicycle

 

hehehe

 

Bump! First time with methylone. I didn't want to get my hopes up, but I'm loving it! Its a great mdma alternative! I'm pretty fuckin high. much love.

 

So you like it do you? How much did you try? I did 125 first, 175 second and I'm sorta "eh" about it. Nice as a mild mood enhancer and playing with a girl is fun, but it's nothing special for me. I just tried it outta curiousity cause it was practically free.