Psychedelic Bump VI

Nuh-uh, I took two, then about 30 minutes later another two, then about another 30 minutes later took the last two of my six. I was frying from around midnight until about 2pm the next day; factor in that I took 50mg of t2 at about 5pm or so before the microdots and its MAOI effect and that pretty much intensified the effects of the acid just as it the effects of the dmt. It was a heavy, heavy acid trip. Trust me!

EDIT: Oh yeah, and, over the two and half day trip(s), I also consumed 1600mg of piracetam, and believe you me, that drug seriously potentates ANY psychedelic; it's like the perfect psychedelic supplement

 

Shulgin's doses I think are intentionally on the low end for harm reduction reasons. For example his dosage range for 2c-b is 12-24mg . . . . that's an extremely low upper limit.

There is nothing that is not sober rational about a high dose ecstatic, spiritual experience, and many aspects of reality are irrational. Our modern science comes from an angel. Descartes, the inventor of the modern scientific method, had the idea come to him in a dream, where an angel appeared to him and told him that the world is made of numbers. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that the sober mind is some kind of cool, objective, truth-lens for the universe, while a high dose drug experience is some kind of chaotic, subjective mystic-mumbo-jumbo-lens; the two realms are closer than you think!

Even when you take heroic doses of powerful psyches, the experience you are having is STILL an *enhancement* of all your sensory input from "the real world", which includes the sensory input of said powerful psyche in your synapses. The experience of the high dose psychedelic is an enhancement of a much more broad spectrum of experience than what a low dose enhances.

Your anxiety should be more directly attributed to frequent use of psychedelics, rather than dose of psychedelics. I may take "high doses", but I space them out quite reasonably. Your mephedrone experience was poor not because you dosed too high, but because you couldn't control your impulses to REdose. Big difference, seperate the two in your mind.



happy journeys pork! :sunny:

 

Fucking frosted flakes are delicious! I know the phone is about to ring and despite that knowledge I know when it does it will scare the shit outta me. The phone keeps menacingly staring me down. Stupid phone!

 

AH fuck. What did I tell you?! It just rang and I almost spilled my frosted flakes.

 

I should add to what Writer had to say here, and you can argue it until you're blue in the face Cheese, yes, you do meet god (not God with a capital "G") while in DMT hyperspace, and that god is you, me, the trees, rocks, sun, wind, frogs, dogs, birds, fishes in the seas... it's everything and it's nothing, it's infinite and undefinable and entirely REAL. It's an epiphany. It's a marvel, and there is a definite mystic experience with DMT. Also, as Writer said, you enhance reality with psychedelic drugs, you don't replace it. Yes, as I believe you mentioned, some mindstates experienced on sikes are achievable by other means, such as my reaching Nirvana the other night (don't even try to argue that I did not, I did and I will not change my stance on that). While meditating, you may achieve that state of Tabula Rasa, but that takes years; my psychedelic experience accelerated my voyage to Nirvana, and that's undeniable Cheese, I'm sorry if you disagree, but those are the FACTS as 'I' see 'em!!!

Besides my own subjectivity here, there are two major points of interest you're lacking in any of your arguments, your OWN subjectivity, and, the fact that you've personally never experienced these things for yourself. You are painting a picture based upon societal intolerance, personal addiction history, and a few friends' terrible, terrible drug-related experiences. I would never push my views or push drugs upon you, but I'd 'suggest' you try some of these things before jumping to conclusions you simply can't jump to otherwise.

 

Sigh.

I am sick of this debate now.

Whatever man. Peace.
I don't denie anything you said, I know I did say you don't meet God. I appreciate your expansion on what you meant there, it helped me understand your position.

You seem to think maybe I am being a little bit judgemental or not cool or something I am not. Like I would never even begin to argue that you didn't reach Nirvana without drugs. When I said what I did about your meeting God it was just a way of summarising my personal position following a very incoherent babbling rambling post that made little sense. I'm sorry if it offended. I just don't think I want to have an experience with drugs that is that powerful, right now, because it wouldn't feel right. Drugs play a big enough part of my life as it is.

Let us never speak of these disagreements again, please. eace:

 

I find every experience with psychedelics no matter how small or insignificant it may seem at the time will come back to me one day and behind my back it will have manifested itself into something HUGE and amazing. I am not trying to drag anything out, please don't think that of my comment. Just in my case, even if a trip seems all fun and no gain it really is ALL GAIN. I am just unaware of it at that time and place and may be for a LONG while. I never would have thought that in my younger days, running around a cow pasture nomming on shrooms would ever mean what it does to me now.

The coffee maker sure makes a disturbing sound whilst making coffee. Like it hates it's job. Poor coffee maker, to hate what you were designed for. No potential to be anything else.

 

Statements such as these bring a smile to my face.

 

Oh fuck yes... raaaiiinn! Going to play!

*edit* wow. No rain, just people destroying trees. Damn.

*edited edit*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLB0srsOtfw"]YouTube - a perfect circle - the package

Reminds me of last summer's opiate perils.

 

I disagree, I've had far more dramatically different 2ce experiences with similar doses based on setting, like taking it in a club compared to a home setting than the difference between 20 mgs and 52 mgs. No doubt 50 mgs 2ce is more intense but it's still 2ce. You only have 2 trips with the stuff it's pretty premature for you to comment.

 

I've told you why that is. IMO, the "lie down in the dark with music playing" method is the best way to experience high-dose 2ce. Otherwise, it doesn't reach it's full potential.

 

I told you i've taken it twice in the dark, and one of those times was 18 mgs rectal which would equal about ~36 mgs oral

 

Still not 50mg. Also, were you lying down, or at least in a comfortable and reclined position? It makes all the difference in the world. I've tried it other ways and it's simply not the same.

 

Nah dude I was jumping on my bed for the whole 8 hours in the dark.

I thought you said you had one of your deepest trips on 37 mgs or so?

 

From my experience with plugged 2C-E, it doesn't really make a big difference in terms of dosage. Plugging 25mg was very similar to just consuming 25mg orally.

 

How good are you at plugging?

 

:rofl:

And that's true, but that was due to my mindset at the time. It was one of the most emotionally devastating weeks of my life. In terms of sheer psychedelia and euphoria though, 50-60mg of 2ce + darkness + music + comfort =

The 38mg trip was completely different than any other 2ce trip I've ever had. I didn't get the "electricity" and only a small amount of euphoria, which was, again, due to my emotional state.

 

dude, it's not like 50 mg is some magic threshold. we can all agree that everyone reacts differently to psychedelics, and that set and setting play a big role. also - tolerance. dose is only one of many things that determines how intense a trip will be. i admit that it's one of the more important ones, but it's not EVERYTHING. and even if it was - i stand by the 1st statement that 50 mg isn't the magic number.

have you ever tried 2ce at a concert?
nope.

because that was one of my best experiences with it. standing in front of huge speakers with one of your favorite bands 20 feet away, awesome light show...AND i closed my eyes for part of it.

have you ever tried 2ce while camping in the forest. i think that's the best setting for a lot of psychedelics. where you can't go home, staying in the woods the whole time. you could even bring your MP3 player and listen to it while lying in the dark - for PART of the trip, but spend the other part bonding with mother nature where you came from.

with all that - i definitely agree that 2ce is awesome to lay down and listen to music. i do that on all psychedelics now, but it's never as good as it is on 2ce. LSD comes close.





writer, i think part of the reason you said something like "doubling the dose doesn't make it twice as strong"

i actually believe what they say at BL, maybe not to such a strong extent, but that every few mg can effectively double the intensity of the trip. i've read 2 mg, but i'd say maybe 4 or 5. 12 mg is about half as strong as 16 mg. and 20 mg is about twice as strong as 16. so i'm sure 25 is almost twice as strong, and 50 mg is really getting up there in intensity (surely amazing), but THAT'S why 60 mg feels like a different drug than 15. because even though you've *only* quadrupled your dose it's (on some silly level) about 1024X stronger. i know it really can't be that much stronger, but you get the idea maybe

 

No, it's not the threshold dose for a powerful experience, but it's MY sweet spot. If people don't wanna do it like I do it, then they shouldn't. I just wish with every part of my being that you guys could experience it like I've experienced it, because it's never been anything short of orgasmic, visually, mentally, emotionally, and physically.

 

Every psychedelic i've plugged has been dramatically more intense visually, mentally plugged compared to same oral dose. Do you make a liquid solution or do you just shove a cap up there?