Psychedelic Bump IV

Damn, I think I just heard my brain sizzle.

 

You paint a pretty nice picture... mdma is on my radar but rare in my circles.
On the bucket list though.

 

I'll remember this when i get round to taking the 15mg i have of it.

 

5 me0- mipt is moxy, I thought you said you had foxy (5-me0 dipt)?

My dosage was pretty much 8 mgs all 3 times.

 

Nah i have Moxy to try and i've tried foxy at 10mg and disliked it.

 

You bet yer biscuits! Mostly just silly jumping around with everyone else but I did a little steppity step step here and there. Didn't stop moving the entire time, my skin was shriveled halfway through I was sweating so much. I'm still recovering from the dehydration. But I am a serious dancer, all in a day's work.

It could be one of two things: your smoking technique, or you may be part of the percentage of people (around 1 in 5 IIRC) who are completely insensitive to Salvia and may never experience a breakthrough. As far as I know, it is still not fully understood why it affects some people so strongly and others hardly at all.

ETA: for the record, I broke through on one medium hit of 25x held for around 20 seconds. I wasn't even going for it and had no idea what was in store for me. I figured that would only be enough to give me the gravity and the giggles like it did the first time I tried it about 8 years ago. Based on my one trial so far I think I will have a harder time breaking through on DMT. I was surprised at how much vapor only 15mg produced, it was about 3 hit's worth and was tough to inhale deeply. I'm going to need practice.

 

15 mgs may be more of a psychedelic experience. The effects are not similar but moxy is similar to 2cb in the sense the low to moderate doses act more as an entactogen but higher doses become more psychedelic and from what Ive read you lose the euphoria slightly at higher doses.

 

I've parachuted 4-5 times on an empty stomach and this was my 3rd time using a gelcap on a completely empty stomach (hadn't eaten in 19 hours). I don't know, I mean it's not that it doesn't work at all, it's just that the negative effects overshadow the positives too much to be worth it for me. I get more euphoria from caffeine alone and it just makes me feel... gross physically. Plus I get those little speed bumps of anxiety or depression that only last a few minutes but are pretty intense. I dunno

2c-b seems to do for me what everyone describes MDMA does for them. To me, MDMA feels like a watered down, dirty, toxic-feeling version of 2c-b (not to mention 2c-b's visuals blow MDMA out of the water). MDMA is the only thing that I have no control over negative thoughts, I can't steer a rough patch in a better direction like I can with anything else, I simply have to let it pass through me and it's a really dirty feeling...

 

Well, I probably am one of those 1 in 5 I have smoked it several different ways, held it in for a long time, I'm pretty sure that my friend had bought like 30x or 40x stuff & it just did the stuff I mentioned way back there. I love it, it's fun to me, but it appears I may never have a breakthrough. Who knows???

As for the deem, try this, take a pinch of weed in a small pipe, put it on bottom, I mean a little pinch. Then add the deem (a good pea-sized ball is best). Then put another pinch that covers the deem up completely. Then smoke that mothball tasting/smelling shit and hold it in as long as possible. It can make you cough this way, but it worked better than trying to vape it or than trying to smoke it out of a clear lightbulb. You WILL have a wonderful breakthrough with it if you go that way.

Shit, I am having a bitch of a time with my kitchen chemistry now making some deem. For whatever reason, my pipette is fucking busted or just not suctioning (dunno which), my syringe is too short to fit in the wide mouthed jar, & eye dropping is painfully tedious. I'll get it done though!

 

@Sweet Blasphemy: Mdma is a real psychedelic, learn that first and maybe MDMA will open some doors for you. 2cb licks donkey taint compared to MDMA, fuck visuals!

Edit: But I know someoneee who will be willing to help rid this MDMA from you, so you no longer need to experience this dirty, watered down high

 

@cosmoknot: I may get some salvia soon, I'll get the good stuff to share :sunny:

 

Fuckin' bitchin' yo!!! I'll do the same with a JWH/DALT blend I'm getting soon (and I'm getting a shitton!).

Hey, you said that you were done experimenting with the next best thing to come along last night, that made me think back, what about several pages back in this thread when you wanted to punch walls & turn over cars on PCP???! LOL!

EDIT: I *also* happen to know someone who knows someone who knows someone who'd easily, readily, & happily take that dirty, watered down Molly off of your hands!

 

I said with RC's... Some cars definitely need to be flipped and buildings taken down in the wake of my pcp delirium, I'm not completely saying H is out of the question either but I have no real strong desire to try that. I really want to try PCP though.

 

I'm aware of that. I think mayhaps the fact that I don't bump in here 3 times a week, people get the impression I'm inexperienced/don't know how to "properly" experience things or let them unfold or whatever, I dunno... That aside, I'm telling ya, it's my brain chemistry. It's not like I swallow some and sit there waiting to compare a checklist of effects I read from Erowid. I go by how it makes me feel, mentally and physically and... I just don't like it. Just like Salvia.

It basically does the complete opposite for me as it does everyone else. It makes me feel physically sick (nauseous, feel like I've got the flu), gives me a cloudy head, makes me close up and feel insecure and introverted, gives me dizziness and a bad headache, anxiety spikes, to name a few.

I do have a serotonin regulation/deficiency issue but why it would cause MDMA to affect me negatively and not other phens, I'm not versed enough in neurochemistry to make an educated conclusion (Prof. pork??). I can't be the only person out there who responds negatively to it. I'm not doing anything "wrong" - I've tried it 8 times now at different doses in various different S&S and every time is just as shmeh as the last. Maybe my batch is fucked, but based on others who've tried it and said it was fire, and who I got it from I seriously, seriously doubt it.

 

You've never shot or snorted H? Wow, I thought you were one of the kings of drugs around here, it is damned good fun, so is breaking open a fentanyl patch and squeezing the goop into a folded bit of foil and smoking the shit out of it. NOD! PCP sounds a little scary to me, but then I haven't tried many dissociatives. I am not the king of drugs. I haven't even tried t7 or bee.

 

For some reason, this really made me chuckle.

Do you take SSRI's, SNRI's, or any other sort of thing like a MAOI, a mood stabilizer, et al? That can & does seriously effect the way phens & trypts alike will affect you.

 

Opiates are certainly not my forte, nor do I care for them to be. I snorted oxycontin once I definitely understand the appeal but its not for me.

@Sweetblasphemy: It has nothing to do with how frequently you bump it has to do with what you are saying. You said 'MDMA doesn't allow me to control my thoughts' as I'm sure you are aware with other psychedelics, surrender to the compound is the key to appreciating and learning from psychedelics. Perhaps those thoughts/feelings should be examined instead of attempting to avoid them.

 

Well, good call to not turn into a depraved fucking junkie/pill popper/guy in tons of pain, like as you know, I kicked (for now) the habit of last week. Though, TBH, I wouldn't have become one myself without the aid of doctors, my car accident, & everything to follow.

As for surrendering to the experience, the first time I did MDMA, it was pure, I hadn't touched a sike in about 15 years, & for about 1/2 hr. I'd forgotten that Golden Rule of Psychedelics, but once I got back into the swing of it, I enjoyed it and learned so, so much about myself (and subsequent MDMA experiences have greatly helped my PTSD more than ANY drug, given by a doctor or not).

 

Heh... I used to but have been off for a year or more now. I'm very receptive/sensitive to all other drugs (even weed) now. I definitely notice the difference in effects from when I first came off the SSRI's vs. present times.

Ok, it's hard to explain but I'll try to clarify. I see how it may have seemed that I was saying I'm suppressing those feelings, it's quite the opposite. I am able to examine and accept the negative feelings better sober than I can on MDMA. MDMA definitely pushes the negatives to the surface (I was well aware of this going into it as I my main intent was to use it as a therapeutic tool) however, it does it in a very accusing and pushy way, much like my 4-aco-dmt/2c-i helltrip. When I surrender to the MDMA it makes me feel like a horrible person but doesn't give me the desire/insight to better these things, it makes me dwell on the bad things in a very helpless way until it passes. All I can do is sit back and let it beat me up. With MDMA it's like "You're a terrible person, look at all these terrible things you can't do anything to fix. You will now enjoy an overwhelming feeling of despair and hopelessness. I have nothing else to say! Have a great day :devil:"

With everything else, I have no trouble acknowledging the negatives and working through them to find a solution in bettering myself (or whatever the problem may be). With everything else, I always walk away feeling very fulfilled and that I have benefited from the prying of my conscience or suppressed issues and almost always feel like I have worked out a solution to whatever negative I had faced, like "Ok, this is something I don't like about myself or my life but in the future I can do xyz differently to make it better and everything will be OK."

I dunno, I hope that makes sense, I really can't explain it any better. It's not an issue of not surrendering, it's surrendering and letting it beat me up without gaining anything positive from the experience. When I would have bad episodes of depression/mania the feeling of hopeless despair was similar. Realistically I knew it was just my brain blowing things out of proportion but when you're stuck in that moment it feels like the end of the world and there's nothing you can do to pull yourself out, you just have to let it pass. Hope this makes more sense.

 

We should talk some time. I had a seriously nasty helltrip on 4 aces and 2ci after snorting 75mg of each mixed together at once (& having been up all night the night before on 25mg each oral plus a shitton of Adderall I snorted). I ended up in fucking jail after that nonsense behavior. It sucked shit big time to be tripping in jail with sociopathic inmates that want to steal your lunch & fuck with you every time you go to the toilet, having guards threaten you while you're hallucinating..... ugh. I bet my helltrip beats your helltrip