psychadellic commune

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oh my, so confusing

 

loooool you guys are so funny

 

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ya know,, after reading all this bullshit,,it just reiterates the conclusion i came to long ago,
that anyone that feels the need to use psychedelics in a attempt to become more spiritual,in a attempt to ascend to a higher level of consciousness,, well, is at best a weak minded individual.
thank you all for reinforcing that belief.

the answers one seeks are readily available without the use of psychedelics.

I truly feel that if a individual was sincere about there quest for enlightenment,if one was truly intelligent enough to understand such enlightenment that psychedelics shouldnt be needed to reach that plain..

moreover as one who has done MASSIVE amounts of psychedelics over the years i believe that for the most part all they serve to do is alter your perception of reality. therefore while one may think he achieving enlightenment by practicing ritualistic trips,the reality is that all they serve to do is alter there perceptions enough so that they can in there minds eye believe in something that they cant see,feel or touch on this earth.

its been my experience that when one claims they have found enlightenment through psychedelics, in reality they are living a lie for there own agenda or they truly believe it but are just in a permanent drug induced stupor.

i guess im cynical when it comes to spirituality, and i guess when it comes right down to it "to each there own".

its just,I personally have to laugh (mainly because i dont pity fools)at people who feel they must use psychedelics to find a level of spirituality they feel they need to exist.

in conclusion, if there was a communal living arrangement where everyone took there weekly ritualistic trip in search of enlightenment i feel it safe to say that they would probably be the most comical group of wing nuts anyone could ever hope to observe..

 

anybody who does that isn't going to count on doing it for their whole life. psychedelics are usually the inspiration, to meditate and change your life.
many people take them once, and lead that life.

and nobody believes psychedelics are absolutely needed, they just help.
neuroscience has proven that neurocells seperate while on psychedelics, as they do for shamans, monks, etc.

did it ever occur that somebody else may have view of something else you can't perceive, or insipration? whys it even bother you so much?
psychedelics are a short cut to years of meditation... which isn't the reason it irks you, judging by your response.

idk, its just you wrote paragraph after paragraph regarding people who "must use psychedelics" in order to reach that level..when nobody really feels they must. they just take an easier path, that it readily available. but its not like they deny they could do meditation, infact, most of them do take up meditation, or better yet, meditate on psychedelics. you have a lot of hate in you dude.

admitting you're an asshole is the first step
one question though... have you ever tried lsd?

 

y'know....once done with the drug the concept is to go Beyond without ...y'know ?

 

exactly.

just reading up on psychedelics makes me, and most people take up meditating. before, i could never see myself wanting to sit in the same position and just...breathe. it sounds boring otherwise.


anybody who's done them knows they become hypersensitive to afterlife, and what will happen to us. i was watching a Hoffman documentary, and thats what he said. lsd dictated his life in the sense he did all he could to assure a better afterlife.

not to mention all of the H, alcohol, etc. addictions it breaks.

 

Do you really think I would give my opinion on something I don't know about... The only thing different between you and I, is that I don't make a big deal about what I felt when I did them, because I knew it was a chemical reaction. I didn't came from I, but from the substance. That's MY way of thinking.

Now the debate is over I think. Some think it's alright, some think it aren't. In the end it's your life, not mine, do what you think is right and what feels right. I don't even know why am I giving shit about this... it's not new from today people take drugs and make a big deal out of it like it was the new prophecy in their lifes.

The kid is angry about working his living like everyone and want to eat shrooms in the woods or in his parent's basement, than he should go for it. Why, oh why, he comes here and speak about it than, if he thinks it's SO right, and it's the ULTIMATE way to go, he should stop speaking and get into action. Why coming on a forum to speak about it, and don't expect that some people will not be on their side, why? Nobodies is going to stop him, he's old enougth to make his own decisions in life, good on not.

I don't have hate in me, in faq I feel sorry for this kid and I hope he'll realize something before shit happens.

Some people on here forget what a forum is. It's normal that it gets into debate, it is about opinions. Oh and hey, I'm sorry but I am not an asshole and I'm not trying to call you one just because you have choosed a different path.

I do have a question for you, if you would have a 16 years boy or girl, would you like it if he or she would go with some friends into the woods and do acid, lsd, shrooms, mescaline, ketamine, whatever. That's not what -I- wish for my kids. I just hope they'll find their ways in something more safe.

As the debate goes on, it starts to change, the kid never said to do psychedelic once and dedicate it's life to medidating. The kid said he wanted to do a psychedelic commune where they'll eat shrooms. As time goes on it starts to change a lot. Nobody shit on the faq that some poeple after doing ONE trip, changed their own perception of their own life. It's kind of different, you know? Really different, still I think someone connected enought could have felt this without the drug. But I guess some people are to messed up and need something out of theirself to find their ways back.

 

in all honesty ive dosed well over a 1000 times,well over 10,000 doses.

pounds of mushroom,ounces of mda, all sorts of assorted analogs, etc... yes ive done lsd..

ive been around enough to see what i see and i feel sure enough about what ive learned over my 25 years of psychedelic use that im not afraid to express my thoughts and stand by them..

if that makes me a asshole in somes eyes i wear that badge with honor..

 

this is nothing more than a awareness that this life will end,in know way do psychedelics bring you closer to a god,unless god is in your own mind...

 

wow, i really don't want to get into the god thing, but all i'll say is that depends greatly on how you perceive god. i didn't even say god lol, all i said was afterlife. i don't perceive god as a being, i perceive god as nature. so i guess "god" wouldn't even be the right word to use, with all of the predetermined connotations.
everybody knows life will end, but many wonder what happens after that, hence afterlife. some catch a glimpse of that in a way, that changes their lives for the better. you also have the opposite on a smaller scale though. its all about perception, and you can't generalize for better or for worse, its circumstantial. and thats all, understanding that. you can't generalize which something as versatile as this.

and Barbuchon, i wasn't talking to you lol. thanks for the input regardless.

 

well the thread was about a communal life using mushrooms on a regular basis for "spiritual" reasons.
to me that pretty much means to ponder existence, the meaning of life,blah blah,which inevitably leads to the pondering of the existence of a omnipotent something.

thus my reference to "god"...

 

Certain drugs like LSD, Mushrooms and other entheogeons dont make you lose contact with yourself, they make you connect to yourself. Since you have never done them, to say otherwise is ignorant. I recemend doing some research on LSD and Mushrooms and you will see its nothing like cocaine, alcohol, or other destructive drugs.

 

i don't get this

people say lsd is a shortcut to years of meditation

years of meditation puts you more in contact with yourself
but when lsd's subbing for meditation as a shortcut for years of meditation, it puts you "out of contact" with yourself, just because its a drug

 

lmfao,,,..

 

anyway, why did you start the thread? i think - maybe - i know why....
"where is the ~real~ party going on?" could the question
It is hard to find soulmates, cool, fun, crazy and true friends.... Well life is not that simple.....
i knew once a group of people totally like a tribe, almost like in a telepatic magical super love tribe, taking acid, and shrooms, in the beginning.....(living together in another reality). (i was never part of it, just a guy i knew). then extasy. then mdma then poppers, amfetamin, loads of booze, ketamine, cocaine. today, most of these people have no teeth, have become cold inside and greedy, amd have empty eyes... some have been in jail, some are dead. they have become the contrary of spiritual, but IT started as something spiritual (or they thought) haha!
you are young. just do it if you want. you might just pay a high price.....

 

thanks for taking my words out of context.

 

isn't ritual a good glue for a commune . could be a shroom ritual , and it's sensible to make it positive and healthy for community . what i know about shrooms is they are good communicators in nature , of peace and artfulness . the shroom ritual needs a special value as it's organic self -

i saw a enlightenment/drug commune fail although drugs were good enough for de-programming and the people beautiful enough in their becoming free . too bad , but the community could not endure beyond that .