Prove to me the existence of God is a lie!!!

So when god talks to you - first of all yopu pray and then you look in the bible and the answer is there? I dont get it - how do you know its the right answer?
For example - you pray to god and ask "how can I help to end war"
and god would let you read the exact page where you would know what to do?
When I was younger I would pray to god then open the bible at a random page.
I used to believe that god would know I was doing that to get the answer and the page would open at the right one - but over time I realised it was only about 25% that the text had any relevence whatsoever to the prayer. I decided I could not trust that method but couldnt think a better one up that would mean I could get a direct answer to a direct question via prayer.

 

Good question. Many people use the "close your eyes and whatever your finger lands on" method, but I don't think this is very helpful. If I am familiar with the Bible, which comes about by regular reading and study, then God can bring these Scriptures that I have read to my mind.

Everything we need to know, the principles by which God wants us to live our lives, all of the answers to the most important questions God has given us in the Bible. Not every question we have is going to be answered in this life. But all of the truly important things are.

Prayer is in the ultimate sense a way to deepen our relationship with God. Whatever problem we have, we should trust that God knows about it and knows what is best for us and that He loves us(we know this because the Bible says He does) and we should seek to be obedient to Him and pray that His will be done.

Christianity is not a religion in the sense that it is not an attempt for man to reach God through his own means. It is not man trying to be good enough to reach God. The Bible says this is impossible because we are all sinful and God is perfect. None of us can be good enough.

Christianity is a personal relationship with God.

God wants a personal relationship with us, His creation, and through His Son Jesus Christ has made a way for us to be forgiven of our moral crimes and be reconciled to Him. God came to earth in flesh and died a substitutionary death for us. He took our punishment that we deserve. He died in our place. This forgiveness is a free gift that He offers to each of one of us. All we have to do is put our trust in Christ alone for our salvation and follow Him.

But you have to make the decision whether you want it or not.

 

The options we have; black or white, gray or purple, personal relationship or not, are laid out according to how we can see them. A good question I like to ask in situations like these are: Is there a whole new way to look at this?

 

Its an interestimg reply I see in this how one could ASSUME the existence of god but still desire no proof. Surely you can not be 100% certain god answered your prayer? sounds to me like you just have to belive god answered it and its true - hardly the basis on which I want to justify the reason for any of my actions -

 

^^ is it me or does that picture have dictator written all over it

 

It is quite a surreal but almost valid point that Microsoft assistant = the pope of the desktop world

Guys thanks for the chat on that subject but I've fairly much run out of steam on the issue "FOR A WHILE BUT I'LL BE BACK" !

I enjoyed it - hopefully we can do this again soon but this thread has had it for me - I will attack you all very soon from an unexpected dark corner of planet Columbo

 

JLPMGHRS

Thats because christianity is meant to convince
those with pre-adolescent reasoning ability that 'a god' would
be so egotistical as to want to 'enforce his law' appon
humanity. Or want human beings to love him.
Apparently that level of reasoning ability covers several billions
of human beings. NOT because they are are stupid.
But because of all the activities humans partake in, rational thought
is the one that most dont bother to practice much.
Why should they?..
It's cetainly not taught in school..And hardly at all in the home.

Occam

 

and then their was silence...

 

That is so true.

BTW get a load of http://www.godisimaginary.com

I rest my case - finally on this issue
ALLAH IS A LIE
GOD IS A LIE
CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT ITS BS

 

So what you're saying is Christianity is senseless because God wouldn't punish sin, He wouldn't want a relationship with His creations and if people would be logical then they would see this?

Why is this illogical? If God's character defines good and He is just, how could He turn His head and leave evil unpunished? Is it egotistical for a loving God to want a relationship with man, who He made in His image and who can not exist apart from being sustained by God? I think that a perfect Almighty God wanting a personal relationship with me, a finite, sinful man is pretty amazing. I think that is anything but self-centered.

 

go to godisimaginary.com - they explain there that if prayer really worked you would have a situation in which christians or muslims were geniuses but no the number of christians that rank amongst geniuses are roughly in proportion to atheist geniuses.
God seems only to answer mundane prayers such as "Dear lord how do I get through this time where I am broke and cant pay my bills" Well you do it like the rest of us - you sit it out till one way or the other the matter is settled.

Its obvious theres no god when was the last prophet god put on the earth?
why havent any more books been added to the bible? Why ? because if they put something in there that can be verified it no longer stands up to reason (ignoring the obvious of course ---- that it doesnt stand up to reason now) What I mean is that people will learn for themselves that it makes no sense to put a prophet in front of the worlds media - theyd eat em alive. Add a book to the bible and it will be full of historical inaccuracy because its slant will be toward a christian perspective.

 

Prayer is not some magical device to get whatever you want. It's not like rubbing a lamp and having a genie grant you wishes. The purpose of prayer is to develop a relationship with God. God has the final say and I don't think we really should want it any other way. Can you imagine if God granted every request that man put before Him. That is why the Bible says to pray that God's will be done and not your own. God loves you and knows what you need before you even ask Him. He will take care of you.

And, in an eternal perspective, worldly knowledge is fleeting and is not what is most important. I could read as many books as I could find and study philosophy and science and music and medicine and other fields all my life but one of these days I'm going to die and what good are all of those things going to do me when I stand before God. They are not what is truly important.

All that is going to matter is how you stand before God and if you have a relationship with His Son Jesus Christ who died in your place, taking your punishment so that you could be forgiven of your moral crimes.

There are no prophets today, people whose authority cannot be questioned and through whom new doctrinal revelations are given. There is no need for them. Jesus Christ has come and established His church, made up of all those who follow Him. Christ has accomplished His purpose that He intended by becoming the final sacrifice for our sins. We have the Bible and a choice of whether or not we want to be forgiven and restored to a right standing relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

 

And vice versa.

 

columbo,

what requires more faith... to believe in nothing or to believe in a god?

 

i hardly think a loving god would condemn someone to an etournity in a place with the attributes described in the bible....aka hell

furthermore, an egotistical god would create a race with as many fualts as humans have and then punish them for making mistakes.....

 

your all about reward and punnishment

There is something higher than that..And jesus taught it.

Occam

 

Jesus taught about the reality of eternal punishment more than he did about Heaven. He repeatedly warned people of the final judgement to come. You can read this in the Sermon on the Mount(Matthew 5-7), the Olivet Discourse(Matthew 24-25) and the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus(Luke 16). You should check it out. Also you could read Revelation 20.

 

JLP

Ok..be a pavlovian dog then.. Occam prefers to do his own thinking.

Occam

 

and agin.....a death stricken silence fell over the forums....

 

No...Only a desire to see evangelists go away.

And not come back..ever

They are as welcome as bubonic plague. And just as usefull

Occam