Prove to me the existence of God is a lie!!!

the lie isn't about what may or may not exist, but rather that anything human knows their ass from a hole in the ground about it.

sorry to be so crude. but if that's what it takes to cut through the smoke screen so be it.

the love of something big, friendly and nontangable is a woderful thing and i don't at all mean to knock it. nor it's potential for bringing people togather in piece, love and harmony. but the problem here as i see it, is the tendency people have to twist everything and anything to short sighted ends.

there is no collective belief that has not been attacked by this tendency, and few if any that have escaped at least some degree of corruption at its hand.

the simple reality is that we DON'T KNOW what there is or isn't, beyond what can be observed by science. we can be reasonably certain that a very great deal else does exist, beyond anything we have ever collectively or individualy immagined. but that's it.

the whole rest of the bussiness about it, about so called belief, is just that.
mahammed and baha'u'llah and sidarth gutama and jesus of nazarith and all the rest of them, may have honestly and sincerely believed themselves and their words to be what they claimed them to be. and this is possible too.

but there are no PROOFS, not real proofs, of any of it. either for OR against.

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I know it, I'm just saying that the fact that we can't prove the inexistence of something doesn't mean that it must exist. It was just an example.

And I'm saying that with this argue, we can admit the existence of whatever we create in our minds. How relibale is that?

There's no need to prove the "inexistence" of something... that's what I think.

 

Since we through life have seen that good is seen in the light of evil and the other way around, life and death, good and evil... it's all a symbiose, I just can't believe in an all good god, since he would outweigh himself and disexist...

If I'm making any sense... Btw, not atheist, but not christian either

 

i don't understand.

 

doesn't it boil down to "How do we know what we know"

 

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I know it was an example and that's why I clarified to ya when I said and quoted:​

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the same thing goes to those who allege God isn't out /up there =) *don't ya think so? at least by refuting their claims or what they call it a proof =)​

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As for God in my opinion He wasn't nor isn't created by our mind or imagination or whateva.​

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And how do you know that it is unexisted to see so.​

Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

If ya wanna read the following I suggest you read post #54 in page six before doing so, but yeah it is up to ya anyway
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Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

catrstevens- you said no word about themnax opinion, therefore do yo uagree with it ?
because what he said , makes sense and dissprovable. give me ur opinion on his statement. and explain as from the eyes of Good religious Muslim tell/explain me why do you believe in God ?

 

BeaverKoffi​

I didn't read every post in this thread, I don't no either if he wrote that post (which ya are talking about) to me (No quote or - Hey Steven!) I think he has two posts here, which one exactly and on which thing exactly you wanna me to comment on .​

He is there so I believe in his existence and He wants that.​

Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Cat

Basically you are spamming the agnosticism forum with you idea of the decription of a possible god.
You cannot show this god to exist..You simply say..'i believe it'.
[and thus it must be true]

This is not adequate verification in the eyes [or reason] of an agnostic.
Thiests like yourself say a god fitting your description exists.
Athiest say no god exists.
Niether can back their claims with more tan..'i believe it' [so it must be true]

Occam suggests that a direction behind the observable universe is quite possible
and there is indicative evidence to support this.
Yet CANNOT by his method to understanding say it as fact.
For even if he believed it [and wanted it to be true]..
that does not make it so.

Occam

Ps.. Occam has found themnax to be one of the wisest people
he has talked to..
Maybe you should read his posts..U might find some insight
beyond the BOX of your 'one book'.

 

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These are my responses =)​

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Am I doing so, did ya read my posts, if ya wanna interpret my words, posts, intention or whateva as ya wish go ahead man, I do not care =) Generally my posts are clear and don't need explanation =) you can ignore them as well =)​

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Many ppl don't even read other's ''proofs of something" which they disagree with it, such ppl should not say there is no proof of whateva, ppl should give a fair chance to those who claims whateva, not just reading two or three lines of an Article or whateva.​

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I did have a debate or dialogue on the existence of God with him before, well.......nothing special at all​

Ahahaha we have urinary system digestive system al by chance ahaha there is a link between the digestive system and the urinary system, by chance.. and there is a pipe delivers what I eat to my stomach by chance ahaha This is the widest imagination eva just like the Japanese Animes
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Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

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no it does not....it means i beleive gods existance is unknowable​

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and it does not matter what religion you happen to be affiliated with.....because most religions imply their is a god or godlike figure (including islam)​

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I DO believe it is, just read ''seriously'' more about it =)​

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Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Hey, Brother Cat! Good stuff!

 

on what basis asume random chance to be the only alternative to deliberate intent of a single awairness? this assumption makes no sense and never has.

this is the straw dog of theistic fanatacisms, of many flavours.

adamant refusal to accept the possibility of unknowns simply being unknown is nothing more then a lack of intillectual self dicipline.

if there is a god who is so mighty. is it not possible for this god or gods to be a programer rather then a watchmaker?

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Cat- of course i didint talk about some post number 14. in this 8 page long thread... it just above ur last, before mine. pretty "big" related to GOd.

your answer relating GOD is forseen... as usual, thats why you peopel will never progress beyond without applyign basics logics and intellect that is in your heads.

 

Hi themnax =)​

Did I say it is the only alternative or whateva, Ok, you explain it then btw if your answers will be the same of your before ones, then don't answer 'cause we already did so if you remember, but if ya want, I don't mind. ​

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On what basis you say it is unknown, it could be unknown to ya ​

is it not possible for this god or gods to be a programer and a watchmaker at the same time ​

* Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

BeaverKoffi​

As I told ya how shall I know if it is related to God or not, I didn't read all posts, anyway,I think you are talking about post#63, well, what is so special thing in it! can ya quote that exact thing, anyway, some comments​

No, we can, I believe in Allah, he already proved His existence, just read more about it, or read at least my first post in this thread and my first reply to Occam (And when ya read 2 or three lines from an Article that doesn't give ya the right to give your final conclusion or it is not logical, I already disscused this matta with ya before) When He proved that He said that He knows about His creation 'cause He is the creator and He created them,of course I will believe every single word He says when He says that there is such and such, or I created this this way, I don't need the science to prove that to me 'cause I trust Allah, He proved His existence, and I know that He says the truth, you can find lier scientists , or as many times they say something today and change their mind tomorrow, And many new things they discovered them later (after a century, 3 years or whateva) and that doesn't mean that these new things which they discovered them later weren't existed before! in the Quran Allah speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development: ​

...We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... ​

scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract(The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 65)In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here For More about these verses click here ​

When the scientists had other view ''before'' about the stages of man’s embryonic development, Of course I will believe Allah, As I said, they say something today and change their mind tomorrow,yeah they proved it is right later,and that didn't strengthen my belief in Him, 'cause I know it is correct, I do not need their proof, Nothing new. my point of this example is we can know what there is or isn't, even without science, another example, Tom went to liverpool he told me that there is such and such I trust Tom, he is a truthful guy, I know that there is such and such in liverpool 'cause he told me so, I don't have to send someone to take some photographs! When man didn't yet discover other things in the wide universe, it doesn't mean things which he doesn't know about it aren't there, and when he claims so this is very stupid he should prove it. you or whoevea thinks that God cannot be proven should be honest and do a REAL search before claiming so.​

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As for beloved prophet Muhammad and Jesus (pbut) many ppl proved their truthfulness, read more, and you said may a mere guess, I can say the same thing: themnax and all the rest of atheists , may have honestly and sincerely believed themselves and their and others' theories and thoughts to be what they claimed them to be. and this is highly possible too. ​

Read more or prove to me that there are no PROOFS, not real proofs, of any of it. either for OR against remeber what I said about the real search in one of my old threads. here are some quotes​

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* Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

BeaverKoffi​

BTW I don't know if you read all my posts =) and it is up to ya as ya know​

* Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

The claim that God does not exist is a declaration of faith. It may be a seemingly sure bet, but it is not a fact. It may be the most logical, plausible, probable, and popular view. But that doesn't prove diddly. Prove God exists! Prove that you are not insane. Prove that the past and future exist. Proof, facts, and sure things are rare indeed. If God is real, he/she/it is clearly shy. If God wants to hide, you won't find God. In Native Lore they say God is hidden in the one place we would never look... ourselves.