Protest the Holocaust at your local synogogue

I've never been to Iowa,but I heard it's a fairly nice state,too good for the Palestinians.I say throw all the Palestinians in a place like Uganda.--Of course we could ask Kuwait to take back the over 300 thousand Palestinians they threw out during the Gulf War,but Kuwait does not want them .Kuwait is smart.--So Uganda it is !!!

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=106466&sectionid=351020506 < "A newspaper article suggests that Algerian children are kidnapped, trafficked to Morocco where they are sold to Israelis or American Jews for the sake of organ harvest.">

 

I must say that I respect all beliefs, but protesting the holocaust is denying something that took up a big chunk of world history. One can't say that the holocaust is a conspiracy that was shoved down your throats by the government, but it is something that many people went through and suffered through.

Instead of denying the holocaust, Google it first.

 

http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/10495

<< "On Oct. 5, 2004, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) shot to death Iman al-Hams. She was an unarmed 13-year old Palestinian girl, who was on her way to school, near Rafah, in the Gaza Strip. Her body was found riddled with 20 bullet wounds." >>

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20041115.../index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=11648 << "The handwritten letter, received Wednesday at the church's headquarters here, threatened to set churches afire while people were inside in retaliation for 'anti-Israel and anti-Jewish attitudes,' Jerry L. Van Marter, director of the Presbyterian news service, said Saturday." >>

 

^^^Good times.

 

BCH, you do realise BSR is taking the piss? you tell us that all Jews are basically Nazis and he starts talking about Eugenics, now if you didn't get the link up, you know fuck all about history.

I'm not saying i care for Israel, creating that state was a western fuck up, I agree. But your hating on every single Jew, plus all your propaganda is disgusting and as it always has, leads to nothing good.

Now, there are bad Jewish ideologies, but there are fucked up ideologies all over the world, from extremist muslims we have now days to the "white man's burden". What i am saying is this, Jews do NOT have a monopoly on injustice.

Also, perhaps "genocide" would be a better word than "Holocaust", as the Jewz use that as a title for the genocide that was attempted (very harshly) against them.

 

WTF do you mean by"The God Of The Jews" ? you think there is more than one god? There is only one god, we all pray to the same god, to insult another persons religion is to insult god himself, and I'm not up for that !

 

Sorry ... but I'm not very clear on what you're trying to say here, exactly.

I was debating a Jewish fellow earlier in this thread, who stated that Judaism is rooted in eugenics, or words to that effect. Now, what I'd like to know is: are you trying to say that my opponent was behaving like a "Jewish Nazi" for openly stating his belief in eugenics ? I'm wondering, also, if you happened to notice the callous response that my opponent displayed right after I posted a video that showed a group of Palestinian women who were caught on tape while they were being gunned down by the IDF ?

I'd like to know just who, precisely, you are referring to when you make this insane accusation ?

I take issue with that. I am posting information from a wide variety of reputable sources, and that includes many Jewish sources. If you consider that to be "propaganda," then that's your prerogative. You are free to ignore the facts, but if you do, you are doing so entirely at your own peril. The leopard isn't going to change its spots, solely on account of your refusal to acknowledge that there's a leopard in the living room.

Is there any such thing as a "good" Jewish ideology ? Is there anything in the entire body of Jewish literature that speaks out on behalf of the victims when the victims aren't Jewish ?

I'd also like to know just where you get off talking about "extremist muslims" without having to worry about being censured for engaging in hate speech against Moslems ?

I don't know about you, but I don't like double standards.

How many deaths does it take to warrant the use of the word "holocaust?"

I prefer to use the word "holocaust" to describe what Israel has done to the Iraqis and to the Palestinians. At last count, upwards of a million deaths have occurred in Iraq over the past several years, and this is owing largely to the unmitigated power that Israel wields over the USA by way of its well-placed agents in the government and in the news-media.

Nobody ever seems to lament the fate of the poor Arabs, except for maybe the poor Arabs themselves. I wonder why ?

Israel is masterful in the art of propaganda, it has this uncanny ability to rationalize things, but the fact remains that Israel was, and continues to be, the principle driving force behind all of the mayhem in the Middle East.

Israel knows how to provoke the wars that it desperately wants to bring about. Israel is the world's foremost engineer of wars ! Israel wants to bring about war because Israel was founded on a religion of war ! Israel creates war by committing deadly acts of "false flag" terrorism (such as "9-11"). Israel brings war into existence via the careful manipulation of public opinion, i.e. by way of thinly-disguised propaganda in the controlled mass news-media.

Israel is the Jewish state. Israel was founded on the religion of Judaism. Israel was founded on a religion that openly calls for the mass extermination of gentiles. If you want to know why the USA is currently enmeshed in Middle Eastern wars, all you have to do is to look at the credentials of the "dual citizen" Israelis who have in the past, and who continue to occupy in the present, key positions in the US government. There's no telling how many innocent people have died on account of Israeli war provocation, but if it's ever going to stop, then first of all we've got to pull our collective heads out of the sand and we've got to see things as they really are.

 

Yes, the "Jewish fellow" is brave sir ruben, or as i call him "BSR", as i call you "BCH". No i was not calling him a Nazi, but he basically is, that's just BSR, super troll, he has claimed he has even tried to appear as pedophile.

He has obviously seen your threads and is using your predictability as a way to make a joke out of you. When you talk about Jewish folk, you draw some pretty clear parallels with between Judaism and Nazism.

So he is talking about eugenics as a joke, he is deliberately trying to sound like a "Jewish Nazi" so to speak to make a joke out of you (which is what i meant when i said he is "taking the piss").

Eugenics was the Nazi "science" used to justify social Darwinism notions that white people are superior particularly the "Aryan" race, and a part of the justification for the torture and slaughter of massive amounts of Jews.

Insane? The British of course, as an Australian, my world view is that America, the British and smaller countries like Australia and Canada, make up the "Western world". But yes it was the British who gave areas of Palestine that they controlled away and created Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_%28Israel%29

Felipe Fern andez-Armesto. The World A History Vol. 2. American: Pearson Education, 2007.

It's sort of like when the media puts up news stories here in Australia about bad Muslim leaders, it's not that they don't exist, but constantly providing evidence ad nauseam about a section of a group as if it were the whole group in a way, does become propaganda.

For example your thread "Boycott "Kosher" Food..."

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=369179&page=28

You're just stating bad things Jewish people have said or done, with out providing any argument to go with it, over and over and it can have a strong impact only with out context and critical analysis.

Well i haven't read as much Jewish literature as you it seems, but off the top of my head you must read Survival In Auschwitz by Primo Levi, an excellent description of the human condition in general.

But to be honest, the accusation that every Jewish person only cares about other Jewish people, is insane and strikes at the core of your problem.

I "get off" on putting your stupid, ill thought out arguments in to some rational context. Which is far better place than where you "get off". I don't even get the "double standards remark", you really find that my counter argument is so offensive that it deserves to be censored and your hate speech against the Jews is fair observation?

Do I really need to bring up some folks interpretations of Jihad? or the non military targets attacked by muslim groups because their targets were non muslim? The point is not to demonize Muslims, my family is Christian, and I can go on about the atrocities committed in the name of that religion too.

The point is this, there are terrible people in every group, however that does not mean everyone in that group is that way. We only need to find a few examples to find that argument is false, and the more good or even regular people we find from that group the more that argument is destroyed.

There are many lovely Muslim people, as there are Jews and Christians and the ones we have to worry about are the ones like you which try to lead us towards hating everyone in a particular group and to ignore the good from the bad. That's how all this bad shit starts in the first place, you idiot.

One, if your intentions are good, you don't really see much threads about Jewish people going on about all the crimes the Germans have committed.

I'll first put this to you, I believe you are choosing the word "holocaust" in particular to create a certain impact against Jewish people, for the same reason that you suggest that we protest at synagogues, you want us to dislike and harrass Jews.

Having put that to you I would also like to say that it seems the reasonable conclusion to your unfounded claims that Israeli agents are in control of the American government and news media, is to protest the American government and news media, not lump everyday people in because they happen to be Jewish.

My mom's not Arab and she feels for Palestinians quite a bit, as do I. But who will remember the Armenians?

I'm certainly not sure I'd call Israel the "foremost engineer of wars" but they certainly argue fairly harshly against their muslim neighbours. I'm not even going to engage you in debate about 9/11 or the newsmedia, again i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It still seems, given if that were true, one should be trying to effect change in the government and newsmedia, not protest synagogues.

And Britain and Australia are the Anglican state, are you going to start protesting their churches for the involvment to?

Look Israel/Palestine is a complex situation, one only has to look at a map of the two countries to realise how insane the borders are. Much of this is the results of colonization from European countries (Britain).

At the end of the day we can all hate the Jews for the war in Palestine, we can all hate the Christians for the Bosnian genocide and WWII or we can all hate the Muslims for the Armenian genocide. But if choose anyone of these we become a part of the problem because we forget that most of us just want a nice place to raise a family and opportunities for success.

What you're advocating is separating people more, all I am saying is see people as people and effect change through honesty, not hate.

 

"Xac,"

I haven't made any sweeping comments with respect to "Jews" in the general sense of the word (at least none that I'm aware of), and so it's only quite natural ... on my part ... that I should resent the implication ... on your part ... that the issue-at-hand centers on "Jews" rather than on "Judaism."

 

Nonsense and balderdash ! ... For all of your good writing skills, you seem to be lacking in the ability to reason ! ... I am simply discussing a particular system of belief and the deleterious effect that it has on the human race !

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20031214193534/http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030115-035849-6156r

<< "Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations"

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<< UPI Intelligence Correspondent
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<< "Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International." >>

 

http://engforum.pravda.ru/archive/index.php/t-172585.html

<< JERUSALEM (CP) - "UN observers in Lebanon telephoned the Israeli military 10 times in six hours to ask it to stop shelling near their position before an Israeli attack destroyed their border outpost, killing four observers and sparking widespread international anger with Israel.

<< One of the dead is believed to be a Canadian, Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener of Kingston, Ont., but officials have not confirmed this. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed 'deep regret' for the deaths and dismay over UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's accusation that Tuesday's attack on the observation post in Khiam, near the eastern end of the border with Israel, was 'apparently deliberate.'" >>

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/20/israelandthepalestinians.oil

<< "Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil"

<< "US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke"

<< Ed Vuillamy in Washington
<< The Observer, Sunday 20 April 2003 04.09 BST

<< "Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad." >>

 

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/27/wmid327.xml

<< UN 'urged Israelis to hold fire 10 times before post was hit'

<< By Tim Butcher in Tyre
<< Published: 12:01AM BST 27 Jul 2006
<< UN soldiers carry the body of a peacekeeper killed in the attack

<< "Israel was accused yesterday of ignoring repeated appeals to halt attacks around a United Nations monitoring post before it bombed the position, killing four UN officials.

<< A preliminary UN report into the bombing by an Israeli warplane on Tuesday evening said that personnel from the UN peacekeeping force in south Lebanon made 10 warning calls to Israeli forces before the attack." >>

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20060805....indymedia.org/newswire/display/176/index.php

 

i think people need to stop buying into the holy co$t so much. it's draining the money out of a LOT of nations. including the usa. i fail to understand why americans should have to use their tax dollars annually to fund the national holocaust museum in washington dc. as well as use it for justification for further middleastern aggresions.

certain individuas are even pushing for a holocaust compensation law to be passed here in the usa. when will the jewish lobbies of the world stop blackmailing nation after nation with it? the people who constantly promote it, like to tlel us they are speaking out against bigotry and racism. but when you collectively blame an entire nation for the acts of specific political party, you ARE embracing racism. then again the torah and tlamud are full of passages that justify racism.

i fiond it humorous that stephen spielberg's shoah foundation is being sued because of irene zisblatt's lies. i seriously doubt she's been the only one who has ever lied about any of it either.

 

denial? questioning the holocaust's inconsistencies is hardly denial. especially in light of the fact that there really have been concentration camp inmates who doubted the claims of gas chambers. the most famous would probably be paul rassinier and he stayed at not one. but two polish concentration camps. up until almost the day he died he confronted many on their lurid tales and exposed atleast a few as liars. when you are allowed to make up relatives that you can't prove ever existed, let alone prove they ever stayed at a concentration camp. you have no right to cry when called out on it.

why should i believe mr ellie weisel when he says he was reading emmanuel kant and while contemplating what he read. he got struck with a taxi car door and not knocked down. but knocked back an entire city block.
when someone tells you there was color coated creamatorium smoke and jumping buckets of jew flesh carved off bones by dr mengles himself. why should the skeptical human mind not question such claims? also, why should the same mind nto question the use of diesel exhaust as a method of death. when carbon monoxide does NOt turn the skin green or blue. but cherry red. during this time there were far more toxic fumigants they could have used to kill people off more effectively. such as wood fuel and gasoline even, gasoline fumes have several times more levels of carbon monoxide than diesel exhaust does. why is it more truckers don't die when taking a nap in their truck while having their engine on idle? the claim of fumigating people to death with diesel exhaust while the engine is on idle doesn't hold up when you take this into account.

i find it puzzling the nazis would have used gassing as a quick and convient means of death. when we here in the states abandoned such means of execution because of it's inefficiency. when it comes to light that execution by means of a gaschamber can be delayed for quite some time by taking shallow breaths or even holding one's breath. the idea that nazis would have used half assed built building with doors that latch shut on the INSIDE as a gas chamber. become laughable.


i'm sorry, but photos of empty "gas chambers" and piles of bodies prove nothing in regards to claims of gassings. if anything they only prove that people died. how is it that babies could be thrown into a gas chamber with children and adults? yet, everyone else but the babies die? and are still even after everyone else is dead, suckling on their dead mommy's tit?

something about all this does not add up guys. nobody denies jews were persecuted in germany during this time, or that people died in this holocaust. what revisionists do question and doubt is the gas chamber claims as well as theexcessively large numbers of people killed in a really quick epriod of time.


btw-why would they have left the third doorway open and leading directly to the oven whioch operated nonstop day and night? when zyklon b is extremely flammable. ...aere you honestly going to tell me those fumes wouldn't have caught flame when coming into contact with the oven?