prostitution off-topic branch thread

Because you said, "legalized, regulated prostitution would probably reduce the rate of std transmission, imho."

Now don't act all stupid on me. Let me break it down very clearly for you. In order for your statement to be true, you'd have to assume that a lot of STDs are transmitted via prostitution. I'm not twisting any words here, this is all shit you wrote.

We're not talking about human trafficking. That's a topic of another thread. This is about straight, normal prostitution, not sex slavery. So take everything you have about trafficking out of the equation. Are you still willing to say that prostitutes get the worst end of things then??

PS: This also isn't about drug addicts who turn tricks to support their habits. We're talking about REAL prostitutes. Girls who do this as a business for a living. Not because they're slaves, and not because they need a few extra bucks to buy crack.

 

The only downside I really see to legalizing prostitution, is that it takes away a nice easy slap on human traffickers, and that's where the two topics overlap, otherwise they're separate topics.

For instance if prostitution were legal, then prosecutors would have to prove that a bust they just made was indeed not just legal prostitution.

With victims usually scared into testifying or not understanding the process via language barrier or because they were born and bred into the underground environment like cattle.

I also agree that STD's are prevalent regardless if you're a normal person or a prostitute. But I do think that promiscuity can put you at a higher risk for STD/STI's. And let's face it, even on these forums, people have unanimously agreed that bareback sex is better than with a condom, so I feel that most of society has been kinda lax with condom use when it comes to STD/STI transmission.

 

i got my erudite information from reality.memorizied lines from feminisn ha! ha! i laugh at feminism.cos i see so much hypocrisy in it.it's an insult to my sex and i'm an eye witness ta what i know.in reality.

 

Whenever authorities try and take down “any” criminal organization they have to be able to prove that they were actually engaging in illegal activities. Doesn’t matter whether the crime is human trafficking, or something else. And not everyone who engages in illegal prostitution is involved in human trafficking. The association of prostitution with human trafficking are unfair and unwarranted.

I think it’s very misleading to say STDs are prevalent. Yes, they’re out there and anyone could contract one just as easily as a prostitute can. But the chances of it happening are considerably less than the term “prevalent” warrants. STDs are not prevalent, nor are they rampant, as many people try and scare people into believing.

 

If there's any place in the world where that HIV strain is going to originate, it's gonna probably be Africa.

When humanitarian agencies passed out condoms to the aborigines there, the aborigines didn't get it, and thought if they opened the condom, put it on a stick nearby while they screwed a girl or women bareback it would prevent the pregnancy or disease.

Lack of education, power struggles, and drugs are holding them back.

The bigger worry for the developed world, is drug resistent gonorrhea, syphilis, which is primarily in Europe, but has just started gaining a prevalence in the States.

 

so is that what you call prostitutes.whores? how discriminatory.like i said they are vunerable.sounds like reality is just a movie to you.some people watch them, while others live them.

 

Discriminatory? It's the definition for what they do. Most commonly used to describe a low class prostitute like I was doing.

You can call a sandwich a blanket but that doesn't mean it will keep you warm at night.

 

So what is reality?

 

You wouldn't have to assume a damn thing. The person you quoted right there in your response clearly said "reduced".

For the sake of reference:

All you would have to assume is that there are dirty hookers out there with STDs that do not practice safe sex. That's not exactly a stretch to believe. And it's not exactly a stretch to think that legalizing and regulating that business would reduce the contraction and spread of STDs.

It may not prevent STD spread in full, but it'd definitely help at least a bit. And hey, it'd also help the safety and welfare of the women involved. No more having to worry about abusive pimps and johns, they'd have new, legal avenues to pursue against them if it were legalized.

You might not agree with them, but it's warranted and fair. They overlap. There's research going on about how much they do, but you have to be naive to think that there's no association between the two. Not all people prostituting themselves have been trafficked, but from what I've read a good deal of the people being trafficked have been sexually exploited.

 

so what do ya call prostitutes you don't class as low-class! in your opinion! high-class whores ?

 

what I said was

your reply was:

the assertion that legalized, regulated prostitution would reduce the rate of std's does not imply that that the majority of std's are transmitted via prostitution, nor does it make any particular claim about the total number of std's transmitted via prostitution

the subject of the thread is prostitution. girls who are abducted, pimped, addicted, or financially desperate are just as much real prostitutes as any other

the same goes for girls who are mentally ill or traumatized

if you want to only include girls who don't fit into those categories, and therefor want to be or don't mind being prostitutes, then I suppose you could say it's the clients who are the ones being ripped off. and I would say that clients do indeed get ripped off a lot.

but this seems to be just subtracting any prostitutes who are exploited, and then asking out of the remaining non-exploited prostitutes how many are exploited

 

a lot are a lot more vunerable than others. and as far as (in my mind) is concerned, you don't know my mind.and i did'nt say only weak or damaged girls choose prostitution.damaged is a broken washin' machine,not a human being.the only difference is for some people its nothing ta do with choice!non-vunerable prostitutes do not concern me.vunerable ones do!ya sometimes punters get done over,but not half as much as some prostitutes do by pimps an some nutjob punters.and the weak prostitutes don't work the streets.only the strong ones do and they are and always will be the most vunerable ones!

 

YES IT DOES! You cannot reduce the rate of STD transmission by regulating prostitution if a large amount of the STD transmission does not occur via prostitution. If there are a billion transmission cases outside of prostitution, and only a few hundred inside prostitution, regulation is not going to lower shit. That’s simple mathematics. So either you’re trying to bullshit your way out of the lying statement you made suggesting the high rate of STD transmission among prostitutes…. OR you don’t understand basic mathematics.

No, girls who are abducted and/or forced to prostitute are known as sex slaves. Let’s call it what it is. It’s SEX SLAVERY.

Don't try and put a sex slave in the same category as a prostitute. Not everyone with a camera is a photographer. Not everyone who works out/lifts weights is a bodybuilder. And not everyone who's funny is a comedian.

 

I generally call them call girls because it sounds nicer, but yeah....potato potato

 

This is a good point.....the reality is completey different depending on circumstance. Most people imagine 2 extremes.....human trafficking sex slaves drug addiction street corner STDs, and then the $3,000 "executive whores." My experience has been a happy medium. I visit a nice house or apartment and see a beautiful, pleasant, independant woman that enjoys doing what she's doing. But Finding a new provider is when I become vulnerable. I don't know where I'm going, if the chick is gonna be legit, if someone's gonna be behind a door with a pistol (badge or no badge). She holds all the cards. It's not fair to say either side of the transaction is the most vulnerable, because it completely depends on the intentions of each individual.

 

Human trafficking basically only exists because of prostitution so how can they not overlap? Women aren't exactly sold into slavery so they can pick cotton..

Just because you guys can afford high class call girls doesn't mean it's the only reality that exists and just because your experience with prostitution has been rainbows and butterflies doesn't mean the profession doesn't have a dark underbelly in many parts of the world.

 

no, I'm sorry, you're wrong. If I said that taking the spare change out of your pockets would reduce your weight, that does not imply that your weight would be reduced dramatically, that the majority of your weight is comprised of spare change, or that you have a greater amount of spare change in your pockets than other people. I don't see the need to belabor this point any further. What was implied by my statement or was a product of your inference is a trivial issue, and we should move on.

If one looks at the definition of prostitute, there is no distinction made between prostitutes who are pimped and traded versus those who do it purely consensually.

I see no need to waste more time on this

 

I think I can tell you what reality is, if by reality we mean "average." From both knowing the ropes myself, and having had extensive conversations on the matter with prostitutes themselves (including when I was not paying for their time, just so you don't think she was feeding me some bull to keep me as a client), average prostitution is as follows:

1) girl has worked in service sectors of the economy before, but gave it up when someone offered to pay her for sex and she saw how much she made for a not entirely wasted hour;

2) may or may not have some schooling; usually less than a college degree though hookers putting themselves through college are far from an aberration. In Sao Paulo for instance, there's a notable exception: one of the wildest hookers in the business is actually a practicing lawyer. Where I live, also, there's a hooker who now only takes clients by word of mouth who comes from a rich family and does it as a hobby. On average, lower to working class.

3) girl has a penchant for sex. Especially the ones that remain in the business for over a year; often, an active sex life is an incentive.

4) girl may or may not have a family and or boyfriend/husband/fiance she's cuckolding; very often they have children and lead a double life;

5) financially, girl does better than a salesperson and a fair amount of her clientele;

6) girl is NOT a drug addict (again, on average);

7) girl HAS NOT been raped when she was 11 (average); although she may encounter violence, no more than average.

8) girl has a plan and saves money;

9) her clients are overwhelmingly married men;

10) sex happens during the day, lunch break to be exact, in apartments turned into whorehouses. Unlike street prostitution (which is a minority of prostitution);

11) most prostitutes are freelancers, though they may have a pimp or madam (usually street prostitutes). Sex slaves are wild exceptions.

12) prostitutes, even crack whores, overwhelmingly use condoms (including for oral sex). I would say, at a much higher degree than your average casual sex. The riskier sex actually happens with high-end escorts who have healthier, regular clients.

13) they have probably been exposed to the skin-transmitted STDs (HPV, and HSV), though they either have been treated or developed into asymptomatic carriers (otherwise, prostitution as a career would not be viable to them);

14) the overwhelming share of prostitutes DOES NOT contract HIV, even lifelong prostitutes. The ones that do tend to be in bottom rungs of the business.

15) girl is average to above average looking.

 

To sum it up: prostitution is neither a bed of roses, nor a big tragedy on average. It's just a blue collar job, period.

 

Ok, what would you guess the overall percentage of “vulnerable” prostitutes to be then?