No! I think it was the mattresses fault! :biggrin: You should find the mattress in the location the crime took place and burn it!
hum.. hookers are people too. and a lot of hookers are free to refuse service, especially in a place like Amsterdam where they basically subcontract and pay taxes, have unions, etc. I strongly doubt 90% of the hookers in Amsterdam are illegal immigrants, as that would imply they came from Africa or Asia, and most of the ones I saw looked very European indeed. smoking hot. Holland is a good example of legal prostitution working, I think, as these girls have rights and decent enough lives (atleast the ones who pay taxes etc) I've had a few hookers (not in Amsterdam) and while it was a good time, it's not for me. I enjoy the hunt too much. but I've met people whose lives are much better because of prostitutes, essentially they've gone from a place of no sex to sex whenever you want it. I know if I'd only had sex three times by the time I was 32 I'd cough up a bit of cash for some action.
the guys i work with go to thailand every year soley to fuck cheap prostitutes. every time i remember that, i find it really hard to talk to them. because i feel so monumentally disgusted. to be honest i personally feel a man who pays to get sex is pathetic.
lets face it, most men too. not me though. I never call anyone "whore" out of anger because I don't see anything wrong with a girl who fucks everyone. nor do I see anything wrong with actual hookers or turning sex into a business transaction. foolish people will idealize sex, and women in particular hate professional hookers because it devalues the pussy.
I don't think there's anything wrong with prostitution, well with the idea of prostitution anyway. There's plenty of women who love sex and if they want to get paid for it too then why not.. But obviously there's the whole exploitation aspect and many women do get forced into selling their bodies, and that is just sickening. I'd imagine we could get rid of that though if prostitution was made into a more open, legal business because then it could be regulated and controlled properly. What would you choose.. paying for sex in a safe, private environment with a healthy looking woman who clearly enjoys her job, or paying for sex in a dirty alley way with a young girl looking terrified and abused.. In this society anyway, it's the generally very negative attitude towards prostitution that enables exploitation and sex slavery. By making it into such a huge taboo that no one can talk about and trying to hide it and pretend that it doesn't exist will never make it go away. There's always gonna be prostitution no matter how illegal it is, so might as well make into a legitimate business with strict rules and regulations..
Personally I think its a good thing that it gets devalued in some ways. The idea of a hooker I think would make me feel quite nauseous. But gold-diggers and women who use sex as a "weapon" I find quite distasteful sometimes. A hooker's just being honest , and doing a "job".Good luck to her The big problem is that our views on it are coloured by old quasi-Christian politics.But our world is different to that. Its interesting how some ex Soviet States etc often still see part-time sex work as "cool" - even for hooker women who might work as lawyers , managers , doctors etc in the day...!
I would never pay for sex. I would also never charge for it. I do it for my own enjoyment, if I starting getting money for it it would be too much like work. Seamonster...did your friend give actual oral to a hooker, or was it more like a "dare you to touch her" one lick? :biggrin:
Can't we even negotiate a possible transaction? No biting or hair pulling.. I'll need a VAT receipt if poss. Jesus Seamonster, Has his tongue fallen off yet? uke:
There has also been a drastic increase in sexual assault crimes in Amsterdam in the past 10 years. Tourists go there and think they can rape and assault the women working in the sex trade, so there is a high risk of women on the streets and locals of getting assaulted as well. It's funny, because proponents in favour of lucrative sex businesses say that they're doing society a favour and keeping rapists off the streets, but Amsterdam has seen quite the opposite effect.
im the same way. if people actually chose it, rather than were forced into it, im all for prostitution. hell, put it into brothels (street prostitutes face the most violence), and let the government tax it... require regular std testing, etc i do have major issues with people being forced into prostitution, by pimps or drug dependence or a lack of other options. but people fucking for money... why not?
Eh. It's difficult to put a price on someone's health, safety, enjoyment. How do you give a refund? People are being charged for attempted murder in countries where partners with HIV were having unprotected sex with unknowing victims. The sex trade is deadly. There is no question about it. It would be in the government's best interest to make no attempts at regulating something as destructive as the sex business because it's a conflict of interest at a very basic level. The sex industry is full of female oppression, there simply is no denying that. Why would the government want to say "Hey, we support female oppression if they want it this way!" In my opinion, people who buy into the idea that people have been paying for sex for centuries as being a valid reason for continuing to do so are in a state of false consciousness - many women and men believe that there is no corruption or potential for harm in the business of prostitution.
Sorry Aristartle but I'm utterly baffled by what you're saying. Its exactly because governments are against it , and sex workers and their clients are regarded as "scum" by certain people , that there are the problems.STD's can be minimised. People of both sexes and all lines of work are oppressed. And sex trade oppression is *because* of the way its viewed as criminal and filthy. ________ As for rapes in Amsterdam going up , well the windows have been there a long time longer than 10 yrs- so I dont see how the 2 are related. Amsterdam isnt actually seen as a model for all this.I've heard about lots of rip-offs-hence workers being punched etc. I'm told Germany is probably a better version of it. The State protects people in other jobs, so why not sex workers?
How is the State going to "protect" predominantly females working in a sex industry exactly? What is the State going to do for a baby conceived by a woman with HIV who is a sex worker? Are they going to say "tough shit, that's part of your job health risk"? How do you file a report of being raped by a man who has paid you for sex with the government's stamp of approval to pay you for sex? Is it possible to sue the government for not protecting you like they are supposed to in a regulated sex trade? Why not protect women by creating more jobs outside of the sex trade, hm? In my view, the government has a vested interest in providing jobs that people can perform throughout their lives and manage a career in their field. What happens when a woman can no longer turn tricks for money? Her income is not secured, even if the industry was going to be "regulated". Women are never going to be able to receive pensions for careers in prostitution no matter how "regulated" the business is. If the government were going to "regulate" prostitution, it would be like they were creating more minimum wage temp jobs that are just the same as working at McDonalds. The market is already over saturated with low paying jobs with an expiration date. There is no standardizing mechanism out there to ensure fairness, equality and safety in the sex business. It's just not possible. Women deserve to be sexual beings that are free from the constraints of economic weight on their shoulders and slaves to a system of subordination that requires basic human needs to be traded off like some kind of profitable and summoned commodity for consumers to buy. We pay for everything. In a system where you can buy anything like human interaction at the snap of a finger, I highly question the motives of this.
Sorry but I cant see the logic in your claims.You seem over-emotionally charged in this. Lots of jobs have risks.And the risks in sex work sh/could be minimised. What about women and guys! who actually enjoy/love their work and the money? Are they criminals who should be locked up?Ofcourse not! Many people have to leave their career at 30/40/50 sthg- so what! What sort of equality do u want exactly? Well regulated it would be a highly attractive , well paid , safe , *optional* career. I dont follow the bold part. People trade food , entertainment , so why on Earth not sex? Because u feel uncomfortable?Thats no reason to make them criminals! And we all carry an economic weight - men or women..
