Proposal for Terraforming

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  1. Lee JBartholomew Baker

    Lee JBartholomew Baker Banned

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    can we add the solar wind through inlet valves at the artif. dielectric poles to Martian Atmosphere

    floating electrolysis devices for filtering/processing outgassed CO2

     
  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    How come you don't work for NASA bro?
     
  3. XoXcinnamonsweetieXoX

    XoXcinnamonsweetieXoX Members

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    Lol i love the idea of Teraforming.... Only for the exact fact that is humans are destroying our planet and we are going to have to get the fuck out one day and they will find a way. Sometimes it makes me sad we are destroying earth but then maybe we are meant to because we are meant to space travel :) I would love to learn from you, you sound like a very smart guy and I'm infactuated with the universe !!!

    P.s. sorry I can't answer your question lol
     
  4. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    we need to learn to stop marsifying earth. its not like we don't have the technology. its politics that's the problem. the politics of the economics of greed.

    but as for making more room for us to destroy on other worlds, well escaping our own planet's gravity well is the major expensive hurdle to overcome, before doing so can become a practical solution to anything. its a lovely romantic idea in a lot of ways. and i always like the idea of an empty/natural landscape to build fascinatingly and fantastical aesthetically in.

    but i also don't believe we alone as humans, are what the rest of the universe exists for. everything that exists, does so for its own reasons. not ours.
    it would be good for our own minds to visit and interact with everyplace else. but not with the idea that it is there for us to take.
     
  5. Unomike

    Unomike Been there, done that.

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    Terraforming requires huge amounts of H20 to be injected into the atmosphere of the alien planet. That will either require importing water from earth or a nearby moon that has enough quantities of water/ ice that will jumpstart the terraforming process. Without water, you have nothing. And without a minor atmosphere to begin with, water won't stay as it will be drawn off by open space. If you can't get water to stay on the planet, nothing will grow or live there.
    Also Oxygen will be needed. If the alien planet has some but not enough to support animal life, then plant life will have to take hold first when the water problem is solved. Plants produce as a by-product oxygen gas. But since Terraforming is still a theory, there are many variables to overcome. May take several hundred years to get it right once a serious effort is started.
     
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  6. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Unless one of the moons of Jupiter pans out, our only logical terraforming project to prototype the concept is Mars. The biggest problem there is the diminished magnetosphere. Even if we spent the next century crashing ice laden asteroids into Mars, the limited magnetic field would have radiation from the sun stripping it away at the same time.

    One thing that might put it closer to reality would be to raise the temperature of Mars by making the atmosphere more dense. And the best source of this density at the moment is the heavy airborne pollutants on earth. One of the plans set forth by Robert Zubrin was a series of spacecraft that would be in a slow orbit between earth and Mars. The trip would take longer than a direct flight, but that would surely be acceptable since we'd be ferrying our waste and pollution there and none of that has an expiration date.

    Terraforming Mars will take centuries, sure, but what if the trade off is that we clean the earth at the same time? We are already making substantial progress toward energy efficiency. Imagine where that will be in 200 years. Of course, the idea of polluting another planet just to clean up our own may seem like just another flavor of human colonial incursion. But imagine if we were able to sequester the majority of our industrial efforts off world. The earth would be getting a new lease on life that we would be able to start paying off in less than a century.

    But there are several technologies that still have to be realized. In particular the ability to get objects into space without needing a massive polluting infrastructure to accomplish the task. What form would that take? Space elevators? A giant Trebuchet? AstroGlide?
     
  7. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    We'll use up earth' rresources on big screen TV's and pointless technology before we even get to Mars.
     
  8. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Mars has plenty of water and we now have a lot of the machinery that can teraform the planet. The problem is, even the astronauts in orbit have suffered multiple physiological effects from prolonged zero gravity, and there is no certainty people can survive for long periods of time under Martian gravity. Theoretically, its lighter gravity could help people to actually live longer, but nobody really has much of a damned clue and, likely, there will be some issues.

    This is similar to deep sea diving. Go down a little over a hundred feet, and people tend to die ripping off their mask. They discovered only after well over a century of using pressure chambers and diving that the bends was caused by their diets. Although proud governments and astronauts seldom like to dwell upon these things in public, space is still very much a new frontier. It was grade school children, who suggested a cheap experiment for a satellite would be to point a Geiger counter at the earth, and they discovered among other things the "Brazilian Anomaly" which is like a radioactive spot high above Brazil that nobody can explain, but they routed traffic around it. We've only been going into space for a little over a half century, and the science is so complex it will easily require another half century for it to be considered anything like mature.

    For now, its mostly the robots that will have most of the fun, once commercial industry takes off in space. But we will put people on Mars soon and, once again, boldly go where none has gone before. NASA is also working on the first interstellar drive, that could go from here to the moon in four hours, and accelerate the entire way to Alpha Proxima, without any propellant. A mature version would be a Star Trek warp drive capable of creating Star Gates from one planet to another. That, requires an enormous amount of energy.

    It obeys known physics, but its quantum Field theory which is the Elysian Field of Dreams if you ask me, and they are certain to find different issues cropping up. Next generation computers are expected to spit out a Theory of Everything, and people are waiting before investing their eggs. In other words, the shit is about to hit the fan people, and what happens next is anyone's guess. We might as well be infants, only today taking our first steps.
     
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