Proof of the connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam's regime.

Ah but Nazi Germany didn't start out powerful either. It too was very weak after the First World War. It was the weakness of the League of Nations in enforcing directives against Germany such as banning it from re-arming and the continual handwringing by western politicans which led to Nazi Germany becoming a powerful, military machine by 1939.

In the case of Iraq Britain and America were determind that Iraq would never again posses chemical, biological or long range missiles and would never posses nuclear weapons. So when evidence emerged that UN sanctions might not be working in preventing Iraq's weapons programmes in early 2002 Britain and America turned up the heat on Saddam demanding the immediate re-admission of UN inspectors with no conditions placed on them at all as to where they could search. But again Saddam dragged his feet in agreeing to their demands.

 

Ah, but you alluded to the policy of appeasement practiced by Chamberlain. Chamberlain didn't come to power until 1937, by which time the German army was well and truly established as a powerful war machine.

Indeed. But the difference here again is that Saddam was already contained. He wasn't building an army. His country's economy was in tatters. Hardly a threat, huh?

And waddaya know? No WMD! Who'd have thunk it, huh?

 

And what about the humanitarian reasons for going to war to oust Saddam? Under Saddam's regime it was illegal to form a trade union or to even critise the government in public. To do so was to risk imprisonment, torture and death. Saddam's prisons were full of socialists and other political prisoners. His regime also squandered billions on building vast presidential palaces while his people lived in absolute poverty. No one was safe under that regime either even Saddam's closet government ministers could be executed or tortured for merely disagreeing with Saddam. The majority of Kurds in the north were also actually infavour of war to oust Saddam, including the Kurdish communist party. Why should their views be ignored?

 

Hmmm. Changing the subject, huh? So much for your Hitler analogy.

As has been said before, the war was not fought for this reason. Nobody ever said we were going to war to remove an unpleasant regime.

Listening to you drone on, anyone would think that Iraq was now a haven of peace, tranqulity, freedoom, truth, democracy and the American way. On the day that there's a unified Iraq with a democratic governement, free from American troops and civil war, I might just start to consider your argument seriously. For now, it's nothing more than a fantasy that will probably never come to pass.

For a start, if we'd truly given a flying fuck about the kurds we could've liberated them a long time ago. Saddam had fuck all control over the kurdish region of Iraq after the first gulf war. We could've given the kurds independence long ago, but we were too worried about keeping Turkey sweet, and Turkey was worried about its own Kurdish population wanting autonomy. Don't preach humanitarian shite to me when the West has ignored the aspirations of the Kurds for the last decade and is still ignoring them now. The Kurds could've been freed from Iraq at any time in the last 10 years with virtually no cost in human life. Invading Iraq was not a prerequisite for this.

 

That is no reason for not overthrowing Saddam Hussein's brutal regime when America and Britain did! Just because America and Britain acted wrongly in the past by supportting Saddam doesn't mean that they should never be allowed to act rightly in the future.

I supportted the war to oust Saddam for the same reason I would also support a war to oust the evil tyrant Robert Mugabe if America and Britain or some other country ever got around to it regardless of their motives for doing so. That is because it is right to overthrow brutal dictators who have no respect for human rights and who use torture and execution of dissidents and to install democracy.

People who were against the war kept pointing to America and Britain's past crimes and tried to use that as an excuse for them not acting rightly in overthrowing a tyrannical, murderous regime. But previous crimes of a country do not make good deeds by that country unjustifiable!

Also the current state of Iraq is not the fault of the allies, it is the fault of Islamic extremist terrorists who also have no respect for human rights as shown by their bombing of UN and Red Cross personnel and their kidnapping and beheading of westerners. It is these murderous, evil, madmen who are holding back progress in Iraq, not allied forces who are trying hard to rebuild the country!