PROOF! No God :)

I do know it, as I already showed you, but perhaps you missed it. Yahweh, or Yhwh, also called Elohim by the Elohist source, is God's name in the Hebrew Scriptures. As a Christian, Christian theology asserts that God is the same God from the beginning of time until Jesus and even now. I can't call Yahweh a different God, because Christians believe that one God has been working with creation, and we have called God different names.

 

Look, obviously i am the only one here that is going to have to be the big
boy with an open mind.

You cant accuse me of being a fundamentalist when i say that none of the
gods, including yours, that has ever been credited with creating the world
really did.

YOU on the other hand say NONE of the gods except yours created the world.

whos the fundamentalist?

 

I have to sign off, but all I was trying to say was that it's unfair for you to tell me what God is or isn't....just as it is unfair for me to do the same to you.

cool?

peace be with you. I'm glad that you are here debating about important issues.

 

goodnight, but honestly, regardless of how i label your god, or you label mine, they are still our own gods. Mine just happen to be of my own culture.

 

Look man, you and I are saying the same thing. I have an open mind. Read my posts on here. I really hate the insinuation that I'm not open-minded.

I am simply saying that it is just as bad for you to tell me that I can't believe in God as portrayed through the Hebrews Scriptures and the NT as it would be for me to tell you that Jesus Christ is the "only" way...which I never said and have NEVER said once on the entire hipforums.

you see?

 

I see, but im not the one saying it, Yahweh said it first, i am just pointing it out.

 

Ahh. Ok. So the real contention here is:

you think Yahweh is not the same as Jesus.

What I'm saying is: my Christian theological perspective is that God's story has been unfolding since the beginning of forever in creation. Hence, Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ/the Anointed One and the same "God" as the "God" of the Hebrews.

Ok. I just get riled up sometimes when people tell me not to tell them that Jesus Christ is the only way, but then they seem to tell me what is the "right way." ...and I see that often on here. and it's hypocritical.

But with your clarification, I see that you aren't a hypocrit.

 

And with that I really am signing off.

I leave the forum to you Fuzzynutz and Colours to read over this back and forth..am interested in all your reactions.

 

Im glad we reached a resolve lol.

Look, nothing against you or your faith, I know
that you are arguing a point from within the
constrants of the religion in debate, and I
have the unfair seat of not having the same religion.

Its easy for me to disect the theology of
Judeo-Christian beliefs, because i do not
adhere to them.

We will never reach an agreement because
we both have differing perspectives of the same
argument.

SOrry i insinuated you were closed minded, didnt
mean it.

Good night Molly, i will let you go to sleep now.

 

you cant call god an energy source unless you know hes a force within the universe.

 

If you said that backwards, it would sound like something Yoda might say.

 

Heron...

From a biblical point of view (the bible, being both the NT and the OT), Jesus is God.

Exodus 3:13-15:
13 Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"
14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I Am has sent me to you.' "
....
John 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
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All christians and Jews (who believe the bible is true) believe it. It's the very first book, the very first chapter, the very first verse: In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. What makes us fundamentalist, then?

Before Mohammed came around, Mecca was a place where arab pagans placed their idols to be worshipped. And before anyone even heard the name "Islam", Allah looked like this: A little stone idol inside the Kaaba

Ok, erm... how are we worshipping him wrong?

 

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Or possibly a narcissist.

 

Do you have a boyfriend?

 

^ BURN!

 

If you worshipped Yahweh the way he said, then you would have no other god, Jesus included. Yahweh didnt say no other god except those who you deem to be my children, therefore equating him to me and calling us the same.

Yahweh is too jealous for all that, why would he bring in competition. I am talking about the Hebrew god, not the Christian one. Jesus is the Christian god, just backed up with Jewish mythology.

EDIT: "I am YHVH, that's My name; and I will NOT give glory to another, or my praise to idols!" Isaiah 42.8.

As to your bible saying that "God" created the world, thats YOUR bible saying that, what about all the cultures of all the world? They claim their god greated the world too. How do you know they arent right?

None of them did, only the Creator, not some tribal Semitic god, created it all.

 

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Is Allah not also the god of Abraham? The same god that created adam and eve, and that did all the old testement things? Allah means God, just like you generically call him God in english. But the OT god is the same god in both faiths.

If you want to get technical, your OT god is a compilation of gods and goddesses, whom he absorbed in his "rise to power" making him
both male and female, essentually a hemaphrodite.

Go a little farther back than what Jesus said about his "daddy" and learn more of where your old god came from.

 

Yeah, energy is just God's creation. God creates as much or as little as God chooses. Restraint... that's what it is called.

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Typical atheist irrelevant conclusion fallacy. ​

 

Jesus is God. He didn't give his name to anyone else - God wasn't giving his name to himself.

Okay, logic problem if Jesus isn't God.

IF Jesus wasn't God, the apostles wouldn't have left Jerusalem. During biblical times a lot of men came up and said, "I am the Messiah!" but none of them ever fulfilled the prophecy of rising from the dead. The Jews knew from scripture that their Messiah had to overcome death, and that anyone who didn't, wasn't to be followed.

So if Jesus isn't God, why did the Apostles go out preaching about him? If they weren't completely sure that he was the Messiah (and him not rising from death would be a LARGE fallacy), they wouldn't have followed him... If they did, they could only expect the wrath of their God for following idols (as the Torah/Talmud says about 50,000,000 times that God hates idol-worshippers).