Pro-life or pro-choice?

With me, I don't consider myself to be "pro-choice" or "pro-life." I am anti-death, though, which is why I am opposed to war and the death penalty as well. It's not like my opinion really matters anyway. Abortion isn't going to be outlawed anytime soon. It's completely funded by the establishment, which is pro-eugenics.

It's just that these are labels which are given to the people, in hopes the people will join one side or the other, that way they can politicise and polarize the debate and create another smoke screen and another way to get people arguing amongst themselves.

I simply expose the abortion and eugenics movement for what it truly is, which is an anti-human eugenics program supported by people with beliefs that aren't too far off from those of Adolph Hitler. Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood was a hardcore racist who basically believed that all black people are of inferior seed and should be sterilized. It's no surprise that most abortion clinics today are found in predominately black, urban areas.

 

maybe I just favor abortion because I feel safer knowing that if I knock up some bitch I just need to scrape some cash together and I'm covered.

 

Careful, you've got your foot in your mouth.

 

Quotes from Planned Parenthood founder Margaret "Hitler" Sanger....

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."

--Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:

Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization.

--Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:

Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace."

--Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control."

-- Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On the extermination of blacks:

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

--Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc.

--Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

On motherhood:

"I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine."

--What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915)

 

Well, I wholeheartedly agree with the last quotation.

 

The fact that Sanger was a proponent of eugenics doesn't change my mind that abortion should remain legal. And yes, there are more planned parenthood clinics in areas with lower SES... but another explanation for that (besides covert genocide) is women in these areas typically don't have adequate health insurance so their only choice is to utilize clinics. There are also more general medical and dental clinics in low SES areas. But what do I know... I drive a Volkswagen so I must support Nazis

 

So we should place the same value on your opinion that we would that of an insect? hell of a way to try to win an arguement...

 

There are over half a million children in foster care right now, very few of them will ever be adopted. When are you anti-abortion people going to take care of those children ?

 

I'm just arguing because I'm bored. I don't care what anyone thinks and don't particularly want to sway anyone's beliefs.

 

Another quote the Nazi's would love. THAT was exactly the reasoning they gave for exterminating the disabled and elderly. You seem to have the godlike ability to determine what kind of life is worth living? "The baby will be an orphan..kill it. That will be a usesless life." I doubt all of the orphans out there would agree. So why not extend that reasoning to the severely disabled and very elderly? Surely THEY are not doing society any good, right? A burdeon on the medicare system. Using up hospital space that could be used by us "normal" people, right? Besides, just like the orphans, nobody wants to take care of them anyway.

 

Well, I'm glad you have exposed your true degrading feelings about women for all too see. Thanks.

"Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

 

I think you are seeing what you want to see in that post. I don't think anyone here just LOVES abortion. I know I don't. Its definitely a touchy subject. And it has nothing to do with what lives are worth living, because all lives are worth living. I think his point was that if you are so "pro-life" then why don't you keep caring about human lives after they are born. For some right wingers, its as if they care SOO much about human life outside of their immediate circle if there is some political advantage to be had (schiavo) or if it is in the womb...other than that, fuck em. That is a sick attitude (not saying you have it) and the label "pro-life" seems rather unfitting. Also I do not like the implication that those who support a woman's right to choose are "pro death."

 

drat.

and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you darn kids.

...and that dog...

 

why don't we just nuke the starving african people? they are just sucking up our money and the death will be instant, that way they won't be a burden any longer, I guess you use up more resources than you put back into society, lets kill you too!

 

yes every baby saved from abortion , homeless person and starving African can come live at my house

 

All I'm saying is just read that post. He is clearly saying that if there were MORE abortions there wouldn't be 500,000 orphans. Meaning that an un-adopted orphan would have been better off if he/she was aborted. It is a mind boggling ultra self centered comment because he wouldn't have said it if HE himself were an orphan. Implying that they are somehow second class people, not deserving to be born.

Being pro-capital punishment I could say "there are 3,350 people on death row, very few of them will be executed. When are you anti-death penalty people going to pay for the incarceration of those inmates?"

You see, that statement clearly implies I don't think the death row inmate is worth being kept alive and the foster care comment implies the exact same thing.

So no, I can't adopt every orphaned child in the world and he can't pay for all the death row inmates in the world either.

 

Oh and as far as pro-lifer's somehow not "caring" about the baby AFTER it's born. Bush (no I'm not a big fan of his) has poured more money into social programs than ANY other president, not including the BILLIONS he gave and once again gave to Africa during his recent trip there. If you don't take my word for it, research it.


Also, and these numbers come from www.census.gov, in 2005 there were 114,000 children waiting to be adopted. 51,000 of those children WERE adopted.

Income assistance payments (welfare programs) during the last 5 years of Clinton went from 102 billion in 1996 to 106 billion in 2000 ( an increase of 4 billion dollars). In Bush's first 5 years they went from 109 billion in 2001 to 157 billion in 2005 ( an increase of 48 billion dollars). So I ask you, which administration has put their money where their mouth is?? Those figures came from www.census.gov as well.

 

Excuses and name calling will not sway me. We need to take care of the children who are already here. Put up or shut up

 

ok. Then in that case, since you obviously have so much space and food and love, why don't my friends and I come over... we're suffering because we have to work... can we stay at your place? We just need a bong and a room with a lock on the door, and if cops come, tell them we're not here.

 

What a pro-active attitude. That reeeeaaaally helps. Just the kind of attitude most Americans have. No wonder we have so many problems... everyone just wants to stay at home, sit at their computer, and bitch and not do anything about what's going on in the world.