Pro-life or pro-choice?

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by rayne_lyric, Dec 30, 2005.

  1. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    erm, lay off the hippidom thing. being a hippy doesnt dictate your life :rolleyes:
     
  2. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    you didn't understand what i wrote... the person believes in choice for themselves to not give choice to other... that's very hippo
     
  3. cheshirecat

    cheshirecat Banned

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    I am soo PRO-CHOICE. Who the hell is pro-abortion? I don't know anyone who would brag about their abortions. That would only happen if men could get pregnant. "If men could get Pregnant, Abortion would be a sacrament" Gloria Steinam. I am Pro-Family, Pro-children and Pro-Choice. I vote also. Why tell a person what to dowith their body? If you take away the chioce,wait until you see what happens. More dead women found on motel rom floors, young teens doing it themselves with coat hangers. Think of all these women as allthe woman and girls in your life that you care for. They may say they are anti-choice,but privately they will havethe abortionand act like it is a miscarriage. If you love or even care for women, you must be in favor of the CHOICE. You don't have to do it yourself,but for you do not have the say for all women, all over the world. Abortion is a fact of life, whether it is in a tribe in the Congo, or by D&C here and more industrialized countries.
    You know what should make people angry? That in ohmight America, we still have one of the HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE IN THE WORLD!!! Now that should make you mad. Every child deserves to be wanted and loved. This is not a good argument to have since most answering have been lulled into comlacency from it being a law, and of cousethey never protested in Washington. I did.
    If you disagree in abrtion, don't have one. You have no right at all to tell another person what to do with thier body. Men especially.
     
  4. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    why are percentage wise, the people who are pro-life people also the people who are pro-war? that is so fucked up
     
  5. WhisperingWoods

    WhisperingWoods too far gone

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    Pro-choice.

    Reasons have already been presented by all.

    I'd like to see the documented statistics, though.
     
  6. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    "lies, damn lies and statistics" leonardo da vinci


    its enough for me to know that God is pro-choice
     
  7. pagansrule!

    pagansrule! Member

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    I think abortion should be legal, but strongly discouraged. Abortion on demand should be reserved for victims of rape and when the life of the mother is in critical danger.We should NOT allow an abortion free-for-all, since every embryo, indisputably has the potential for life.
     
  8. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Nope. One of my psych teachers was showing me some studies.
     
  9. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Statistics only lie if you show them to morons who are too dumb to understand them. Academic statistics don't lie.
    Using God to justify arguments is pretty weak. I mean God tells me to eat babies, but I don't act on it very often. And I certainly wouldn't try to start a "Babies for Breakfast" law for everyone else.
     
  10. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    So does every unfertilized egg and every sperm that goes down your shower drain. Should menstruation and masturbation also be illegal?
     
  11. rayne_lyric

    rayne_lyric Member

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    I agree! I also beleive it is messed up for people to be anti-war and pro-choice! I think that human life should be preserved at all costs! Everyone's life is just as important and just as valid as anyone else's!

    If I did not believe a fetus was a living person, I would deffinately be pro choice. But sense I beleive that a fetus is just as alize as anyone here, then I cannot justify abortions!

    Conservatives put across the meassage "Save them when they are young, then they can grow up and die in war!" while pro-choice liberals seem to say "let's let the ones we want to live not have do die violently, as long as they are outside the womb!" Have you ever studied how abortions are done? Very violent deaths! Fetuses have their brains sucked out in order to crush the skull so the fetus can be removed in one method, another involves taking the fetus out piece by piece by removing all the limbs and such... It is not a nice tidy clean little operation! I say, "Let them live when they are young, let them die naturally!" I am anti-violence to ANYONE, including fetuses!

    It doesn't have anything to do with who's body it is, it has to do with the fact that there is a body inside yours! You want to choose what you do with your body? Fine! Use protection, take the pill, don't have sex, just don't take another life because you didn't think ahead, or something that was your OWN fault!

    For those talking about overpopulation, please consider this: John Stossil (sp?) from ABC reported on a special report a couple yeas ago that you can take the entire world population, stick it in Texas, and it would only be as crowded as New York City... Now there is plenty of room for everyone on the earth, it is just that some people like in one bedroom apartments between other floors, while some people have one house and 3 people living on 1,000 acres. It is not that we don't have the space, it is just not distributed very well. Just like food... The reason people in Africa are starving to death and people here in the US or UK or Canada or wherever throw out pound of table scraps every month isn't because there isn't enough food in Africa, it is just that the world's food supply is not distributed very well!!!

    There is plenty of land, plenty of food, plenty of money, it is just that some poeple bogart it all!

    Last to the lady who said that if God is allowing it it must be okay, God is allowing war, hunger, murder, hate and a bunch of other bad crap. That doesn't mean it is okay! It isn't going on because God WANTS it to go on, it is going on because in the beggining of creation he gave mankind a freedom of choice! Our choices affect us as well as other people, but that is, as I meantioned, all part of having choices! There are consequences (or at least possible consequences) for EVERY SINGLE CHOICE we make! I want to make a quote from the Movie Spiderman "With great power comes great responsibility".

    Girls have the choice of whether to take precautions before sex, and they don't. They get pregnant, and the daddy leaves her, and she can't handle the fact that her bad choices left her with a baby that will inconveniance her life, so instead of facing the consequences she gets rid of the inconveniance...

    Let me ask this though, is there anyone here who has actually HAD an abotion? I don't mean this so that me or anyone else can attack you, because that wouldn't be very nice. I mean this because you of all people would have the best insight to it...
     
  12. rayne_lyric

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    Oh, by the way, I have a friend whos mom has a very rare disease where she can't feel pain. She can FEEL, but her pain receptors don't work right. So are you saying that killing her wouldn't be wrong, since she can't feel pain?
     
  13. vynylwash

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    I'm Pro-Choice because I would rather have to choose between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice rather than being obligated to one or the other.

    Hail Satan.
     
  14. communistkalashnokov

    communistkalashnokov Banned

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    Why should he comfrom to some cliche, I'm not much fo a hippy, I want a revolution.

    And why should god dictate everything? If god exists he's a tyranical leader who demands absolute obediance from his people. Zapata said it well;
    'If god existed it would be neceseary to abolish him.'

    I agree with your sentiments about a womans right to choose though.
     
  15. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    to stop the volcanoes from erupting, they had to sacrifice virgins to vulcan but praying to God is easier because there are so many volcanoes plus today, there are laws against sacrificing virgins and too, virgins are getting harder to find
     
  16. monosphere

    monosphere Holly's Hubby

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    I guess I'm in the minority then, since I am pro-life not in regards to just abortion, but capital punishment and war as well. I come from a strong belief that no human has the right to decide the fate of another human being. I understand a woman wanting rights over her own body and can totally respect that. But it's not her life that she's ending, is it? While the baby might be IN your body, it's not your body. And as cruel as it might seem, I'm not too keen on it for rape victims either. I feel horrible for any person who has to go through such a terrible ordeal and my love goes out to each and every one of them. But in the end, it's the baby who's being put to death as a result and doesn't have a say in the matter. Hell, even Tookie had a chance to defend himself before they took his life, which I don't condone either.

    Everyone should have a right to decide what happens to their body, but would you decide at the cost of someone else's death? As for those who don't think an embryo is a life, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. All I know is that I'm going to err on the side of caution and view it as life.
     
  17. monosphere

    monosphere Holly's Hubby

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    I should say that I do support more sex education for our children (which technically should be the parents job, but too many out there leave it up to the school systems) and not just abstinence. You can preach abstinence until you're blue inthe face, but sex feels good and people are gonna do it. So if we can teach safe sex, have an open mind about other practices besides vaginal intercourse, promote birth control at every chance, and warn those of the dangers of STD's, maybe the abortion rate will start to drop as a result of responsible thinking on everyone's part. I think that's a good goal for all to strive for, whether pro-life or pro-choice.
     
  18. communistkalashnokov

    communistkalashnokov Banned

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    praying to god never stopped any of the eruptions that have happened. and your sacrioficail stuff is nonnsense
     
  19. the_allister

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    but *if* the criteria for deserving a chance to live was (for example) being an average, capable of living on your own human, wouldn't anyone with brain damage, or in a coma, or mentally handicapped, or suffering from some other type of disability; be in the same boat as developing babies? would it really be ok to kill them?

    in my opinion, if that was so, they would be the first targets of selected life-ending/preventing; as babies have the potential to be healthy, average, capable humans; and this other group were less capable.

    i'm not directing this at any person in particular, (and it's especially not meant to be rude to you, burbot), but your post made me want to comment on this. i'm pro-life, by the way. i feel that no one has the right to deny life to anyone; and even if you don't think life begins at conception, i hope (but you may not) you'd agree that an abortion stops a baby from being born.

    anyways, that's what i think. i hope i have not offended.
     
  20. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    true and as hippies we are supposed to be nonsensical
     
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