previous civilizations

Their most definitely is a concept of "forbidden" archaeology... almost every history book you're ever going to see pertaining to ancient Egypt comes from one particular Greek scholar who visited there. The things that he wrote down have become so taken for granted that we doubt tons of findings that go against what he claimed. For example, the evidence that exists that leads many scholars to doubt Khufu as the builder of the Giza pyramid is simply ignored. There are cave paintings in Peru and on an Island off Africa that are near identical, depicting a people that navigated the oceans; and this dating back to 10000-13000 bc .... One of my favorite mysteries is the precession... the fact that the Earth wobbles on it's poles a mere 3 degrees, and it takes 26000 years to do it, and the ancient Sumerians and the Egyptians knew all about it...

Also, the piri reis map is a map that was discovered in the 1800's that outlined a mysterious continent... we finally figured out that it was antartica after satellites had the capability to see the landmass buried under the mile of ice on top of it.... because that's what the map detailed

 

Hey Brandon, I admire your bluntness, it is good to just get to the point. I have spent decades reading, I am a reader, and the books I like include ones about ancient civilizations, recorded history, and controversial historical events, like JFK's assassination. I suggest that if you really wonder if I am right, you do the reading, and get back to me. Or just dismiss it out of hand as crap, if you wish.

I have already mentioned the proofs that I have studied, and really have no desire or need to convince you.

 

The point I tried to make about the Great Pyramid, but clearly did not, is that though the best minds of today have tried, no one has come up with a doable method of repeating it, or explaining how they did it. So it is no stretch to me. I do not consider this subject silly at all, and do not make outrageous speculations, I have read thousands of pages on the subject. What do you know of it? An architect friend of mine called it stone age. That is a reflection of the fact he never studied it. It is unique, and is the biggest, best proof of the last great civilization that there is. They could not have made it clearer.
The Piri Reis map shows accurate longitude and existed centuries before we had chronometers accurate enough to equal it. It shows Antarctica without ice, accurately, which we only were able to verify in the 40's. I could go on, but why?

 

Man against nature, and man will win?

I put my money on nature. How vain to think we could possibly win, in my opinion. We control zip. Nada. Cannot even control ourselves. We have been accelerating our level of overconsumption of resources for decades, and we cant even level off, let alone get back to a sustainable level.

 

I disagree! The fact that we are currently overconsuming our resources has less to do with the character of mankind, and more to do with the fact that we're in a technological adolescence. I don't expect overconsumption to last for more than a couple decades; once we have mature nanotechnology and alternate forms of energy, I think the planet will be able to sustain 10-20 billion people without overconsuming natural resources.

You're right that we can't control SOME aspects of nature today...weather was the example I mentioned earlier. But again, I think that will come with time. I don't see any reason why nature should be the presumed favorite in a "man vs. nature" conflict. We have the power to adapt, reason, develop technology, and efficiently solve problems. Nature does not.

 

the higher that the monkey can climb, the more he shows his tail,


you can drive out nature with a pitchfork, but it always comes roaring back again.

 

There isn't any kind of "hard" scientific rule that says that this is true. You're basing that on the first 4.5 billion years of our planet's history, but never before has one of nature's own creations had the ability to change the world the way humans do.

"Nature" isn't a person, or an entity controlling the planet, or even a scientific rule. Nature is merely the collection of biological and geological patterns. There's no reason that we as a species must forever be inferior to nature. There's no reason that we as a species can't decide "We want to do something different."

 

hey, bring it up with Tom Waits, he's the one that wrote it.

Although I must agree, we will always be at the mercy of nature, whether it is in the form of a hurricane, or a microscopic virus.

 

I would argue that we won't be able to do it fast enough, that technological advancements aren't keeping up with the damage we're doing. There's also tons of unknowns, we can't even figure out the full spectrum of the damage already done.

Although, it's possible that science could come up with a solution in time; I would just think that it's not probable.

 

Harmony and equality, are the keys for me.
Nothing goes against its own nature without consequences.
We are all interconnected.
Being human centered breeds isolation and arrogance.
Technology should be used to protect the development of all species.
Rivers of asphalt just don't exude the life-force found in green spaces.
Nature corrects itself if necessary... why force the hand?
Anyone been wondering about the excessive hurricanes and volcanic activity?

 

Really read up on Atlantis and Lemuria....

http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/

http://www.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/continents.html

http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/atlantis.htm

http://www.inthelight.co.nz/spirit/civilisations/atlantis.htm

http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/wildside.shtml

Namaste

 

I have been thinking about lost civilizations allot lately. If our minds have been the same size for 200,000 years or more, and we look at what we have done in the last few thousand, who knows what we will find under the sea.

 

I was gonna say atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis)....but looks like I'm to late

 

Forget all this 'lost civilization' stuff; what if there is some conspiracy keeping us humans from advancing too far and too fast. Everytime we get our shit together and start gathering knowledge something comes up. You got your ancient Minoan civilization, you got the roman empire falling to hordes of barbarians. the whole dark ages of europe, the dark ages in china. How far along would we be as a people if we hadnt had those set backs that stifled learning for centuries.

I thought we were a force of nature. We are every bit as unpredictable, cruel and unforgiving as any hurricane, drought or flood.

I wish i could witness our eventual conquest of the stars and our first ass-kicking of some alien peoples out there somewhere. I think we will be asked to help out some poor alien race whose getting their ass handed to them by some other alien race. But then when we get our hands on the technology our sweet bloodlust and reptilian destructivness will take over and we will crush them all and we'll take over and lord it over them and make them clean our mess up. And them after many years of destroying planets and such we will bring a glorious peace to the universe onlyu to have the conspiracy unravel all we have done and send us back into a dark ages where we forget what we did and how we go there and then we will make up stories of gods in chariots that roam the skies and we will make pyramids and earth scratchings to appease our gods and ask them to come back but slowly we will forget the meaning of them too and we will ask ourselves why did we build that pointy thing in the jungle? after many years we wil biuld ourselves up again and start the whole thing again.

 

When civilization realizes, really realizes, the interconnectedness and equalities of all things then we will become human. Human is a really old taoist term for Minds of Light. God or Goddess is not separate from the rest of creation... the only species that tries to separate itself, out of pride, is humans. Suffering is the result of not living in harmony with all that is. Evil is a made up concept to control people into believing that they need to be governed. The dark ages come when we wallow in our own separate isolation and try to eat each other after we have eaten everything else. Kali Yuga is only possible when civilization is cut off from true equality.

 

"I will follow the white man's trail. I will make him my friend, but I will not bend my back to his burdens. I will be cunning as a coyote.I will ask him to help me understand his ways, then I will prepare the way for my children, and their children.The Great Spirit has shown me -a day will come when they will outrun the white man in his own shoes."

"In early days we were close to nature. We judged time, weather conditions, and many things by the elements--the good earth,the blue sky, the flying of geese, and the changing winds.We looked to these for guidance and answers. Our prayers and thanksgiving were said to the four winds--to the East, from whence the new day was born; to the South, which sent the warm breeze which gave a feeling of comfort; to the West, which ended the day and brought rest; and to the North,the Mother of winter whose sharp air awakened a time of preparationfor the long days ahead. We lived by God's hand through nature and evaluated the changing winds to tell us or warn us of what was ahead.Today we are again evaluating the changing winds.May we be strong in spirit and equal to our Fathers of another day in reading the signs accurately and interpreting them wisely. May Wah-Kon-Tah, the Great Spirit,look down upon us, guide us,and inspire us, and give us courage and wisdom. Above all, may He look down upon us and be pleased."

Chief Seattle

WE WILL BE KNOWN BY THE TRACKS WE LEAVE BEHIND
HUMANKIND HAS NOT WOVEN THE WEB OF LIFE.
WE ARE BUT ONE THREAD WITHIN IT.
WHATEVER WE DO TO THE WEB WE DO TO OURSELVES.
ALL THINGS ARE BOUND TOGETHER.
ALL THINGS CONNECT.

CHIEF SEATTLE

Treat the Earth well, it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors. We borrow it from our children.

Chief Seattle

The earth is not their brother, but their enemy. They conquer it and move on. They will devour everything and the earth will become a desert.

Chief Seattle, 1844

 

The true details and causes of newsworthy events that happened a week ago are difficult to prove beyond a shadow of doubt. Look at the many different descriptions now written, claiming to know what happened on 9 11. I find it hard to claim I know anything as a fact. So when I read something like, " never before has one of nature's own creations had the ability to change the world the way humans do. ", I view the statement as boldly presumptuous, and a bit naive.
How could anyone know that? There could have been a hundred instances of species able to change the world more than us, and to me, the chance that over the billions of years there has never once been one is very remote.

 

every civilisation that has previously existed has had at least one legend about an advanced civilisation that predated themselves, accepting that and with all the evidence pointing to that it isn't so hard to believe that someone at some time was at the very least equal to our current state of advancement. most of our knowledge about the past comes from a narrow one sided view often either passed on or speculated through study of something already gone. it is nearly impossible to know even half of the truth about any of these civilisations. to assume that we do know everything is arrogant folly. also to assume that we are exempt from the powers of nature is plain stupidity because anytime we begin to think that, we are inevitably humbled by it's wrath, take for example the recent tsunami. to think that we could control the weather is idiotic as we do not even know what causes it's patterns and as controling it could possibly do more damage than any nuclear war. attacking somone for merely stating out loud something you dissagree with only proves the problems with humanity if you don't agree than stay out of the conversation because you are merely inhibiting it's progress and forcing everyone to repeat themselves endlessly to try and satisfy your inability to imagine that there might be more to this world than we now or will ever know

 

What if every time mankind anvances far enough we move beyond the bounds of time/space? just a thought

 

I don't believe in lost civilizations as such, but I do believe technology can keep us going far longer yet... if we make it off-planet before the next major disaster. Because once we spread ourselves throughout the solar system, and possibly beyond, we'd be far less vulnerable. If anything wiped out any one planet, there'd still be humans left in many other places. Of course we won't last for ever on a galactic scale; in millions of years we'll have evolved beyond recognition, or who knows what... but we'll last a lot longer than if we stay here, where one big disaster can do us all in.