President Trump's First Hundred Days

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LagunaBeach, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    Just wondering if you think Hillary in the white house would help prevent this.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Why should I want it prevented? Every country in the world depends on every other country in the world. Resources are limited and must be shared, pollution, crime, health, war, and terrorism know no borders. As Bucky Fuller said we are all living on Spaceship Earth and we all are responsible for it and rely on it for life.

    The world has to become united to find ways of addressing the problems of the world...do you really think every country in the world can act without regard for any other country? Do you really think any country in the world can survive today and in the future on its own??

    It just has to be done in a intelligent way.
     
  3. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Corporate globalists want it all, make the decisions, and reap the profit across the planet.
     
  4. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think it's admirable that you're all about preserving patrimony of the Founding Fathers. I would like to discuss protecting our sovereignty. I think this can be accomplished in a civilized fashion. I think that we should be examining our policy around immigration. Are we being charitable? Shall we be a sanctuary of sorts? Who qualifies to get in now?
     
  5. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Tell me your definition of a patriot.

    Tell me what you THINK you know about our Founding Fathers. I think that you have no clue of their core tenets.

    Denigrating our military is a tactic of the left. You do remember Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin and their Students for a Democratic Society and their contempt for our military don't you? How about the Port Huron Statement?

    Trump and I have utmost respect for our servicemen. To imply contrary is a wholly unjustified cheap shot.

    You were coned by a consummate con artist. The entire Clinton Crime Cartel ought to be in Guantanamo.

    Tell me precisely how I was conned by Donald Trump. Be specific.
     
  6. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Hart-Celler instituted the intentional reconfiguration of our country and, more importantly, its culture.
     
  7. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    This is so far wrong that it's completely laughable. Conservatives are non-interventionists. Forcing political constructs upon other countries is a tactic of leftists, which includes liberals and neocons.
     
  8. I don't think working with other countries is the working definition of globalization, or that's a really nice way to sugarcoat it. As it stands, globalism means the entire globe coming under the rule of one organization, which in our case would be corporatism. It doesn't mean at all nations working together in a sensible fashion while maintaining their sovereign identity.

    It's pretty insipid to say globalization is in general a good thing. Corporate globalization is not a good thing. Corporations just want the cheapest labor possible. They will bleed every country dry if that means making a profit. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible to the citizens of the world and to the environment.
     
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  9. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    They were running a remote agricultural country with a small population, which had no international accomplishments or international respect. Not in any way similar to the world power that emerged during WWII.
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    A patriot does not call the U.S. military murder incorporated. Those were your words.

    I think the issues addressed by the Founding Fathers are many, varied, and complicated. I'm not going to give you some simplistic explanation of whatever you think core tenets are. If you wish to discuss issues faced by and addressed by the founders please start a thread about that specific subject. let me know when you do and I'm address your specific concerns.

    I am not here to discuss Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, or the SDS. I lived through that era, I have had many friends and relatives involved in the U.S. military dating back to the first World War and some active today. I did not support the Vietnam War and many who served during, before, and after the Vietnam War also didn't support it, but I have never called the U.S. armed forces or anyone in the military murder incorporated.

    Trump said veterans suffering from PTSD are weak, he said he didn't like McCain because he got captured during combat and he doesn't like people who get captured, he's no hero he said. He claimed fallen Captain Humayun Khan's family had no right to speak at the Democratic convention and attacked their religion...in fact he had to clarify that he would let U.S. Muslim servicemen and women back into the country after they had served in foreign wars after he had said that no Muslims would be allowed to enter the U.S. He compared his life of "sacrifice" making money, mister fucking billionaire, to the sacrifice of dying for your country. Bull shit.

    You called our armed forces murder incorporated.

    So now it's a cheap shot to quote someone?
    No cheap shots by me, I'm merely reporting what you and Donald Trump have said.

    Who got conned? LOL

    You got conned.

    Try reading the stuff below...it'll take a little bit of time, check out the links, see if you can read the whole thing.
    By why go on? You don't believe it...
     
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  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I am using a different definition of globalism then you are, that is the misunderstanding.

    I had to look up corporatism and it seems it is defined as:
    There are many types of corporatism and I see nothing wrong with corporatism that allows groups to work together for a common interest if that interest benefits mankind as a whole.

    I think you are over simplifying when you imply that all corporations are just trying to bleed every country dry. Certainly there are bad corporations and there are good corporations. Here's one list of the world's top 131 most ethical companies. I can't vouch for the accuracy but I do believe there are global and local companies that have high ethical standard, not every company is a scum bag dictatorship.
     
  12. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    And of course corporations are a non-person legal entity. A puff of smoke for victims to drag into court. I've worked for several corporations, usually as a contractor and barely given any notice. But I have seen enough to say that while they are a non-person entity, they do tend to take on personality traits of their founders. I'm usually an outside observer because I don't have a stake. I do my bit and leave.

    But career corporate stooges are a culture unto themselves. And many of them trade high level jobs as often as you'd expect a diner cook with a coke habit. And yet, they stay up in the clouds, with all their chums, milking the corporate beast while feeding it the blood of people from the floors below.

    I think corporate class posturing is really the most disgusting thing to see. Even worse than politics since the rules are completely different. Corporations are the ultimate expression of human arrogance. Their policies and procedures define how their founders' personalities become eternal. Eternally greedy, self-serving and shameless.

    Naturally I expect to catch GOP mud for thinking like this. After all, I do my best to drain every nickel I can from greedy corporations. Not because I'm personally greedy. Heck no. I don't own anything, it all belongs to Jane, my wife. And I go to work disguised as any other corporate dork. It keeps them from suspecting my pot habit which keeps them from discovering that I'm a psychopath.

    It's all about the layers.
     
  13. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    None of this is going to happen. There will be no wall, 11 million illegals won't be deported, billions won't be spent improving America's aging infrastructure. I told my 'Trump buddies' during the campaign that I hope they have a reason to vote for him other than his many promises. Anyone that thinks he will be able (or willing) to deliver on any of this must be out of their minds.
     
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  14. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    MeAgain. Trump also said he would take care of injured vets. Something that either party has done up to this point and I think it's fucking pitiful. If you are going to ask someone to put thier limbs on the line you should at the very least pay for that limb to be replaced and any other medical needs he might have.
    Sure we will have to wait to see if he does it.

    As for the things he said...I am thinking that part of that was to grab headlines because he didn't have the money that some of the other candidates had from superpacs and corporations donations.
    The pow and similar comments were also about half the reason I didn't vote for Trump. That being said words mean nothing to me. Action is the only thing that does. Now let's see if he puts into action what he said he will.
     
  15. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Good Evening, Moonglow,

    It is impossible for a conservative to become a dictator, for they are mutually exclusive constructs. Conservatives believe in maximum individual freedom and minimal government. Dictators can retain power through only oppression and fear.

    Dictatorships (all totalitarian constructs) always arise from the left. Almost without exception, dictators seize power by exploiting people's natural proclivities for greed: believing that they're going to receive the fruits of others' labor and capital that others have risked. This is why our politicians' espousing class warfare is extremely dangerous. The French Revolution began as class warfare. It ended after many who thought they were going to receive free stuff were introduced to Dr. Guillotin's head removing contraption. Hence, you have to be very careful of what you wish for because you might just get it. When you do get it, it'll probably be what you didn't expect. Obamacare is a classic example of getting that for which you hadn't wished.

    Obama is close to a dictator that our country has had. He continually flaunted his legacy while disregarding our constitution. What he couldn't achieve legislatively, he operationalized via executive order. As we know, only congress has constitutional authority to legislate. I have no clue of how many executive orders Obama as issued. In contrast, President Washington issued only one: his Neutrality Act (nonintervention). At that time, congress believed Washington's executive order was illegal because only congress had authority to create law. So it passed President Washington's Neutrality Act legislatively whereupon it became law: Americans were proscribed from becoming involved in internal affairs of other countries.

    Trump has repeatedly said that he is going to reestablish the rule of law, which is a conservative tenet that liberals and neocons believe does not apply to them. A Dictator would protect Hillary from the rule of law. A conservative would want her processed as an ordinary alleged criminal.

    Trump is the complete opposite of a dictator, for no dictator can believe in the rule of law.

    I hope this helps.
     
  16. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Well, thank you for your very civil, helpful reply here. It made me feel a little better...and I am really hoping for the best for all of us....:)
     
  17. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Amen.

    Trump wants vets to have what we know as PPO insurance. They won't have to wait for availability of a VA physician. They can see any physician they desire (just like our politicians at our expense), and vets' medical care will be paid by government. President Trump is the ONLY politician of whom I'm aware who has actually pledged to help our vets, and who has pledged to provide them with quality healthcare. God bless him for that!

    We can drastically reduce the VA. Instead, vets should be able to go to direct providers. If they want to continue their educations, they should be able to access college entrance counselors with tuition fees paid by government. Ditto for home loans.

    Vets should never have to wait for medical/psychiatric treatment that they require.

    Our vets ought to be treated better than our politicians.
     
  18. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Hi Moonglow,

    You're welcome.

    I hope your Veterans Day weekend is your best ever.

    Take care,

    LB
     
  19. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    How does that invalidate any part of our constitution?

    As far as international accomplishment: whipping the most powerful military in the world at that time was pretty damned impressive.

    Our constitution is as valid today as it was on 17 Sept 1787 when Madison wrote it.
     
  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Sure Vets need better care and jobs.

    As for the things he said...most were made without thinking, that's one of his problems. He mouths off then his "team" has to issue corrections. Great way to start a war. And many were made just to get him elected...his supports will find that out shortly. Empty promises and bull shit. Great way to deal with foreign countries.
     
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