post your most disturbing vegetarian facts!

exactly. if i have to die 5 or 10 years earlier, id rather die early than live life harming our fellow earthlings. i used to get sick every year. since i went veg i havent been sick once....even when everyone around me was sick and i was sure i'd catch it..........i was the only one who didnt get sick.

 

No, I just eat. I eat healthily like a normal person. I don't have hangups and weird fixations when it comes to food. I don't have neuroses, weird behaviours, etc.

There are two types of vegetarian. One is like Apples and Oranges, someone who does it out of moral convictions about animals. The other usually has some kind of neurosis, they start out with weird fixations. These are the bulimics, the anorexics, the obsessive compulsives. One dude I know went from eating normally, but with weird weird "rules" about food like only an ODD number of lettuce leaves on his plate, and salmon WITH rice but NEVER pasta, etc. to well, I'll eat everything except dairy, but please, continue to count the lettuce leaves. Remember, odd numbers only. Then it was pescetarian, then vegetarian (ovo?) then finally outright veganism. I don't think he'll thrive. He has a demanding position physically, and with his strange fixations "I will eat this but only on a Tuesday" I don't see him making it.

You're not following your own advice: you said "I was NOT thinking about myself when I went vegan....it was a SELFLESS decision. I would rather die at 30, knowing that I didn't harm or kill another creature.... than die at 120 with the guilt of having consumed far too many animal's lives."

AJ decided, on a gurney gasping for breath and barely able to move his arms, to eat the hamburger and live.

Well, that's cool and all. Listen, I respect your rights to eat what you want, or don't want. But I bristle at people evangelizing at me (I realise I'm entering this thread, you guys haven't done that) or spouting off "vegetarianism is by definition a healthier way of life". It isn't. Some do it and thrive, others do it and nearly die. Same applies to omnis.

I need to eat meat and I need to benefit from the death of an animal to thrive. I make sure that the meat I eat is raised humanely and killed humanely. I will NOT eat meat that comes from a commercial abbatoir nor will I give McDonald's a RED CENT.

I have however slashed the throats of chickens and bled them to death (as humanely as possible given the circumstances) - with full cognisance of the fact that I am taking lives to do so.

I do the same thing when I fight off disease, swat mosquitos or set traps for rats trying to eat the compost in my compost heap. Because if I don't, I will get sick, potentially get sick, or listen to the scream of my child being attacked by rats when they colonise the compost heap and try and get into the house.

Death is part of life. We're born covered in blood and sh*t and we sometimes die that way.

But in between we have to make choices, and we have to do it with facts and figures.
Knowledge. I will no more accept "proof" of Jesus Christ's divinity as I would accept certainty of longevity or lack of disease from a wheatgrass and sunflower seed only diet.

 

I can still listen to my body, while caring about other creatures....because MY body, individually, has no problem thriving without meat, and other animal products. But that is even, way beside the point. My point was, I am just sick of everyone say "this or that" is caused by "this thing"--- I don't doubt that some things are more "dangerous" to the GENERAL MAJORITY of humans, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING.

And the so-called "facts" are always changing and I just refuse to stick by something that is forever undergoing research, and constantly being retracted and modified. One day we're told we must drink milk to build strong bones! The next thing I'm hearing is, that's bogus, and that sometimes too much calcium is equally as dangerous. If you're going to live your life, by what the studies show.... then you're forever going to be going back and forth between dietary changes.

 

Thing about empirical observations is, if done right they really don't change.

I mean, gravity is STILL -9.8m/s2 even in the 21st century.

A better source of calcium and silicates is beer.

 

Of course, the irony is meeting someone vegan into S&M.

They wear cruelty free vinyl and only use cruelty free vinyl to spank someone raw with.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I gotta admit, that was good.

 

I'm not kidding.

"Hi, I'm so and so, and this is my slave, so and so."
"Why is the dude fidgeting so much?"
"Oh, I flogged him til he bled."
"But you don't eat meat."
"Right."

/me.... ??????????

 

hahaha... oh trust me, I know what you're talking about.

Ahh, life is just full of oxymorons, eh?

 

But it might be ok, because the pain they're inflicting is presumably being enjoyed by the person.... so is it really cruelty?

It sure has some irony though.

 

Dunno about the oxy part.

Speaking of cruelty to animals - not only is the local alterna-rag doing a big story on that guy who was rogered to death by his horse (apparently the guy was willing, well right up until it got fatal) but someone just posted a pic of some girl Lewinskying a horse in another thread.

Weird how I am repulsed by this but not by ending the life force within said animal in order to consume it.

It's a funny old world, but you DO need, at all times, to maintain a healthy sense of irony.

 

I agree haha...

 

Man, this thread makes my head spin. These threads always do that.

I dunno, you guys can have any opinion you want. I have more shit I could throw into this discussion right now, but I really don't feel like it. Maybe I've lost energy from my poor diet, or something.

All I know is that when I ate meat (and yes, I did eat healthy) I was an overweight 16 year old that weighed 210 lbs and felt like shit all the time. I felt sick, always, I felt like a gross blob, I was depressed, and hated my life. I had to be put on medication to level myself out. I went vegetarian, and things got a little better. I lost a little weight, and didn't feel so bad. I went vegan, and I've never felt so amazing in my life. I went down to about 170lbs, which is about right for my body type, ditched the stupid medication, and I have more energy than I ever did before. My attitude on life is WORLDS better, as well.

Also, in the three years I've been vegan, I rarely get sick. And when I do, it's a stuffy nose, headache, and cough for 3 days max, and it goes away. All omnivores I know personally, even the healthy ones, get sick constantly. That says something to me.

Another thing, I don't doubt the story about your friend, Iron Goth, but that is the one and only case I've ever heard like that, in all the years I've been reading up on veggie/veganism. Perhaps I haven't been looking in the right places, I don't know. Like I said, all I know is that I feel the best I have ever felt in my life.

 

now who's the Eagle Scout, James??

 

Still you, Bekka. Still you...

 

lets,

The average American will eat 1100 animals in his or her lifetime. (The regular meat eater will consume about twice his own weight in meat each year.)

15 million pounds of antibiotics are used in animal production every year- These drugs end up in your milk and meat.

About 30% of all pork products are contaminated with toxoplasmosis, a disease which is caused by parasites. It can be passed on to consumers.

There are virtually no laws against cruelty to animals raised for food in the U.S., The Animal Welfare Act, which governs the humane treatment of animals, excludes basicly animals intended for food consumption.

Spinach grown on an acre of land can yield 26 times more protein than beef produced on the same acre.

For each quarter-pound fast food hamburger sold that came from cattle raised on former rainforest land, 55 square feet of rainforest was destroyed.

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Just a thought on animal cruelty,

i think alot of us, including me, sometimes forget that animal cruelty isn't only abundantly present in the meat industry. A few examples could be: cruelty towards the animals used in the circus, bull ridding/fighting, etc. It just breaks my heart to know humans can do such horrible things to these beautiful creatures. It's beyond me, i could never live with myself...I mean, sometimes i'll kind of trip over my dog by accident and i feel horrible just knowing that i might have hurt her, even if it was by accident. I can't even kill a bug...

peace,

Angela

 

oh, haha, possibly, either way its gross^_^

 

haha I can't kill bugs either >.< everyone makes fun of me for it.