post ur desktop *pic*

yes but i believe hes talking about the present. at the moment the last edition of xp is good enough, vista has too many problems, i dont want it yet myself. surely, it wont even need 2yrs, 6-12 months im sure it will be rock, but atm its a no no imo

 

What exactly are all these problems? I have one problem in which a game has a low frame rate, but NVIDIA is updating its drivers and that'll be fixed hopefully within a week. Other than that I've had no problems so far.

 

Oh, by the way, I was thinking about upgrading to Vista Ultimate but I don't want to pay $300, do you know if they offer an upgrade from Professional for less? I looked on the Microsoft site and it looks like they do but I can't actually find where on the site to do so.

 

lol u would pay 300$ for a bunch of cds???

fucking hell, id rathe rget a pirate copy free

 

one of my favorite musical venues. taken last summer (by someone else) while my favorite musical act was there.

 

No, I would not pay $300 when I already have the $200 version and the only real upgrade is more networking features, drive encryption, and some other features, which is why I'm asking digitall if he knows if upgrades are possible for less than full price.

But out in the real world where people don't live with their parents and actually have a job, it's not uncommon to pay a few hundred to majorly upgrade your personal or business computer. Hell, I've paid nearly $200 for dinner before.

 

pfft, if i had a job that even payed 5k a week, id still DL over buy

 

Clearly you don't. Lets take a look at Vista.

First lets look at the voice recognition they put such money and time into.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ

It still sucks. I've used it and simply hated it. Works had extra letters in the middle of them etc. Its shit, they rushed a product out to simply 'get it out'.

They have the problem KDE was trying to encounter. If you're going to go with UI, follow the damn thing through. Are things going to be curved or not in Vista? Don't curve some windows elements and not the rest. Buttons, borders, backgrounds, etc. Rather than compose a massive list, I remember speaking to Chris Pirllio in his #lockergnome channel and he pointed this out to me. http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/28/65-more-windows-vista-mistakes/

You know why the system requirments are so much for vista? I can tell you why whether you believe it or not. Its a corporate scam. There is a word for it but it has slipped my mind. It's Microsoft scratching Intels back while Intel scratches Microsoft. Microsoft boosts the requirments of its OS so people buy bigger better computers (from intel etc). Intel then bundles its machines with Vista. Its that simple really.

XP Was a waste of money depending on how you look at it. It was shipped with a fuckload of stupid errors that never should have been. The RPC bug, come on guys, that was a fckin stupid mistake. Vista WONT be standard in 2 years. If it is, it is because Microsoft is phasing out support for XP FORCING users to upgrade. THere are what 12 editions of Vista? HOLY BALL SACS. If you consider the basic edition of vista to be vista, then maybe it will be a standard. But without the GUI in the basic version, all you're using is a shittier XP.

Dont get me started on its retarded firewall. God that thing is as useless as Rosie on the view.

 

Don't try and out-knowledge swazo, for he is the man.

 

I've no idea what they know, im not claiming to be "the man" hah. A lot of what i said is trivial, or rather, may sound trivial. But in retrospect, when it comes down to the programming, the issue of "Well who cares if it is round or edegy, do both" its a big issue. If you've ever read the Gnome or KDE mailing list you'll see a lot of these issues are annoying to developers. For those that dont know, there was a plethora of trivial shit wrong with Gnome and Linus Torvalds posted to their mailing list (rare) and started insulting them for their idiotic prcatises with Gnome development. He made bunch of patches for the problems and submitted them, I doubt they'll make it into the repo without a lot of resentment. This is applicable to Vista in every way. You mention Vistas API.... why is it good again?

 

bottom line is this, Vista Uses the same if not less resources as Xp, contrary to what many people think/belive

Vista Takes FULL advantage of core duo processors, as well as SLI video cards, and with it's new DirectX capability it will DEFINATLY, i'm not talking maybe, DEFINATLY be the new benchmark in gaming

i dont know if your just against microsoft, or u just cant afford the upgrade, but either way 10 years down the road Microsoft is all that is going to exist

MacOS systems steal so much shit from PC's it's not even funny, i think it's great now how they have their "i'm a mac comercials" then shortly aftere they come out with "now you can run windows AND macOS on our computers" lol give me a break, without ipods macs would not even be around

who is the average person that can spend 2200+ on a personal Mac computer? 5-10% of the population?

Vista is and will be the new standard, period i dont care if u dont like it it will be, it will evolve so much past what it is right now 2 years down the road that it will get to the point that if u dont have vista, your computer will be running at a slower clock speed the capable.

stick your your incompatabilites with Linux and other outsider OS's if u dont like it

 

it's not worth it from what i've seen, professional offered alot of stuff i would personally never use, i was about to buy professional when vista first came out, but when i do upgrade i'm going to stick with premium

 

What are you talking about? Mac does not steal or "borrow" as much from the PC as vice versa.

EVERYONE stole from xerox to begin with. Watch Pirates of Silicon Valley. The GUI was ripped off big time and then they all walked ontop of xerox. Vista and DRM is just pathetic. Just fucking downright pathetic. It makes me sick to my stomach that people are actually stomaching it.

PS + The price is because of the hardware. The actual OS itself is about 120 bucks. (Tiger).

Look at the trends. Mac, Linux/Unix are gaining more and more popularity. Hell. I dont know if you read the technology news or whatever, but there has been a SURGE of corporations switching to Open Source, be it desktops running on Linux or whatever. Many schools have switched over to linux, police stations, etc.

I can guarentee you that when Vista released its 54906263634078 versions, a ton of multi national companies decided to switch their servers (or the majority of their servers) to something Linux based. I am not anti microsoft, I think there is problems with Linux (compatibility, come on, how hard is it to make a standard installation file), Mac (come, friggen thing has SHITTY support for a lot of software).

I just think/know that Vista is nothing more than XP wrapped up in Mac wrapping paper.

What all has the Mac stolen from a PC? The PC stealing from Mac list is much bigger (the search feature, its friggen spotlight with a touch of Beagle)

 

Heh, if you'd make choices like running the risk of federal prosecution rather than spending a little, there's no way you'd be making $5,000 a week to begin with.

 

I can agree with most of those points

the idea of schools and police stations etc. switching to open source OS isnt anything new, thats why most of those kinda of establishments run NT based windows if they run windows at all, just for the expanded freedom and usability for large networks

i dunno, i've never been a fan of any other OS besides windows, it provides me everything i need and more, and i'm sure in the next few months i will be upgrading to Vista, if nothing more then to get the "cool" look and feel of it.

 

The voice recognition actually gets better over time, but it's still way better than OS X. The voice recognition in OS X is an afterthought at best and cripple-ware at worst.

That's just nit picking. I could pick out all the things I don't personally like in OS X but that's not going to mean it's a bad OS.

That's called business, not a scam. The system requirements aren't even that high for anyone purchasing a new computer; I'm sure most of the systems on the market meet them.

There's really only 4 main editions. There's the Basic for those who don't need much more than email and internet, Premium for those more oriented towards entertainment, Business for businesses, and Ultimate which combines Premium and Business. You really aren't making a very credible argument, you're really just trying to bash Vista using your personal opinions. Just because you don't like that it has multiple editions doesn't mean it's a bad OS.

Useless? I can't post an image on these forums without allowing it past the firewall, please tell me how you consider this useless.

 

You know, all you've really done is try and bash Vista. You claim it's not worth the cash to upgrade from XP, yet you've never even compared Vista to XP. You're making a claim and then trying to support it with your opinions of an entirely different topic all together. It's like your saying, "Bagels taste better than English muffins", and then to support it you say "English muffins have ugly holes and the English have bad teeth." I don't really know how to debate with you, you're not really arguing any points other than the fact you are biased against Vista.

 

Yeah, I don't really think I'd use anything from Ultimate, I was just curious if it was possible to pay a little less and get a few more features.

 

Its not called Business, is called having a monoply. They have been sued for the very thing you call business. Multiple times. Gates has had to testify numerous times. And IMO the Mac Voice recognition sucks just as hard as Vista, both are no where where they should be.

The firewall? Its pretty much junk. You either use it to its fullest annoying extent, or you dont at all. Most of the "new totally rad" exciting features in the firewall are not available through the GUI - but through the group policy editor. That alone leaves most of the public computer uses screwed as to features of a firewall. A quote from Preston Gralla

"Worse yet, there’s no practical way to have the outbound filtering protect against spyware, Trojans, and bots. As set up, the outbound rules permit every connection. If you want to block a program from making an outbound connection, you have to set a specific rule to block that individual program. There’s no way for someone to create an all-purpose rule to block malware making outbound connections."

Not to say you should just turn off the vista firewall completely, but rather you should invest in a third party firewall. (Back in the day when I moderarted for spywareinfo.com Kerio was easily the best firewall on the market)

ps + paintballe,r you're right, it is nitpicking it can be done with everything, to a developer, that nitpicking means the world to how their computer is run and their programs are run. And what about the Window API i asked about?

 

And the requirments for everything but basic (i dont think the basic is vista, not when they scrap that much from the OS)

# 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
# 1 GB of system memory
# 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
# Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:

* WDDM Driver
* 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
* Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
* 32 bits per pixel

No way those are "understandable" requirments. Not a lot of people have top notch systems. A lot of people dont have 128mb graphics cards. Most of my 'tech' friends still run smoothly on 64mb.

And those are MINIMUM. I would expect things to run rather slowly, but seeing as how ive never used vista on a system with those requirements, I would not know.