Post news reports that show wisdom of citizens carrying guns

Firearm-related deaths rate per 100,000 population.

US – 10.3

England and Wales – 0.22

France - 3.00

Germany – 1.10

Homicides by any method per 100.000

US - 2011: 5.1

England and Wales - 1.03

France : 1.2

Germany 0.8

Gun related homicides per 100,000

US 2011: 3.6

England and Wales 0.06

France - 0.22

Germany - 0.2

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As said basically the general crime figures for the US are roughly the same as many other nations the only really big anomaly is gun related deaths.

Even taking out gun related homicides from the general homicide rate gives a figure for the US that is roughly the same as these European nations (1.2).

 

Take a browse

http://gunssavelives.net/browse-stories/

 

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But if you take out gun related homicides from the US crime figures they do not seem that much different from those of many European countries that have gun restrictions.

Which would seem to imply that’s guns (and the huge number of gun related homicides) are not any good at lowering crime rates and that maybe the US should look to those countries with much lower crime rates as a model.

 

Let me ask this question one more time.
Why are you so obsessed with American political policies, especially ones like gun control that literally have NO impact on you at all???

All you have managed to convince people here of is that you sound like a pompous ass who likes to point fingers at others while ignoring the heaps of trash in their own yard.

If you can provide some compelling reason why other than it makes you somehow feel superior, people may want to continue watching you beat this dead horse.

 

So, if not guns, then what accounts for the disparity in US homicide rates when compared to similarly developed Western nations?

 

There are a lot more factors to consider than just gun ownership.
Population densities.
I know your figures are per 100,000 Balbus, but population density would increase the number of violent altercations in general. So an important factor missing from your stats is population density as well as population numbers.
If there are 1000 people dispersed across 10 miles, you will have a lot less incidents of violence than if those 1000 people were confined to an area of 1 mile.
Balbus seems to always miss that important factor.
To illustrate it one only needs to look at some of the figures Balbus posts and notice that if broken down, the areas with the highest gun crimes also have the highest population densities, while some areas of the country while having a greater number of guns per capita, have much less violent incidents because the population density is much less.

To test this hypothesis I suggest we give everyone in Tokyo a gun and see how long before the bloodbath starts.


Second important factor that goes hand in hand with population density is economic status/level of the area in question.

Now I would like to point out that myself and others have never said guns don't account for a higher occurrence of violent altercations that result in death, just that the statistics and logic that Balbus tries to apply to the issue falls short because it is rather narrow in scope and ignores many factors that have a greater impact than just that availability of guns.


and again, why do so many non-Americans have such a problem with this??

I know why Balbus does. As a loyal subject of the Crown, he feels it is his duty to bash "the colonies" in any way he can.
Being a subject of the royal crown he also fails to grasp the concept of freedom we enjoy in America.
That's ok Balbus, I'm sure the Queen is very pleased with you as a loyal subject.

 

Population densities per square mile


US – 84


UK - 650


Germany - 609


France - 289

 

And I posted this on the forums back in January 2011 - But guns or no guns crime rates are usually lower in low density areas (rural and suburban) and areas with populations that are economically more comfortable and with high levels of employment. )” The police recorded crime series also show disparities between urban and rural areas, with higher population density tending to be associated with higher crime levels”
http://www.hipforums.com/modules/News/showarticle.php?threadid=417940&page=25

 

I think we need to look at the population density of the areas where the majority of fatal shootings occur, which I assume is in dense urban centres, but I could be wrong.

 

I live in London it has a population of around 7.5 million and it only had 175 homicides between Apr-2005 to Apr-2006. In fact in 2009 there were only 651 murders in the whole of England and Wales with a population of around 60 million.

But let us take an American city - Philadelphia – it I believe has a population of around 6.1 million yet it had 406 homicides in that same year. So two Philadelphia’s with only 12.2 million people would create 812 murders, more than what is produced by 60 million Brits.

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Philadelphia - population density of 11,457 people per square mile

London - population density of 11,760 people per square mile

 

The first story I see here is about a Texas homeowner who shoots two of three unarmed burglers. So, that story doesn't qualify because there was no real threat to the homeowner's life.

 

Gas

Sorry mate as I’ve said many times I don’t give a fuck about the queen or I’m a republican.

 

So, this thread has been up for ten days and the gun supporters have found how many stories? One? I honestly thought there would be many. I'm trying to be open-minded here. Please post more stories.

 

So, this thread has been up for over two years and the gun supporters have found how many stories supporting their case? One? It seems to me that allowing open-carry does not lead to anything good. Prove me wrong. Please post more stories.

 

Hi Sun

So maybe we should post the alternative list the Parants Against Gun Violence post a monthly list of reasons why people shot people and it’s tragic

https://www.************/ParentsAgainstGunViolence/photos/a.416647195073938.95672.413407645397893/1079413215463996/?type=3&theater

Here are few from June 2016

A guy was walking down the street bouncing a basketball. The ball bumped my car, so I shot him.

I got into an argument with a friend, so I pulled out my gun and fired a shot which hit a random dude on a hoverboard.

My wife filed for divorce so I shot her.

My girlfriend and I have been fighting a lot lately. I shot her dog a week ago but the authorities let me keep my gun. Then she (maybe) spent some of my money, so I shot her dead.

 

AND A FEW MORE


A man knocked at my door asking for help but he wouldn’t answer my questions, so I shot him dead. Turns out he was deaf.

My ex wanted me to pay child support, so I shot her and our daughter.

My wife caught me cheating and tried to take a photo of me with another woman, so I shot him

The parking valet was rude to me so I took my wife’s gun from her and shot her with it

I was visiting a friend in his apartment when his roommate said I was too loud so I shot that guy and his girlfriend

My brother wanted my cheeseburger, so I shot him dead.

My three year old stepson was jumping on the bed and wouldn’t behave so I shot him dead.

My neighbour was mowing her lawn. I showed her where I thought the boundary was between our properties, but she disagreed, so I shot her.

 

Here in the U.S. you still would have to pay a bond to get out of jail before trial, even in a clear cut case of self- defense via use of your legal firearm.

In short, guns are traps. And especially since not all people who use a legally owned gun in self-defense can avoid going to prison.

I'm with Macgyver, not Rambo.

 

I'm in Florida and before the "shall issue" laws were passed people were panicking saying that there will be blood in streets if the law went through. Guess what, not only did that NOT happen but our crime rate went down.

 

As to the thread. 2.5 million defensive gun use is not a myth.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/myth-3-25-million-defensive-gun-uses-each-year-cant-be-accurate

And you can take your pick of over 400 pages of what you're looking for OP here.

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

Before you get scared off by "NRA" they only collect the stories, they don't write them. They give the sources to each story.

 

Thank you. That's exactly what I was hoping someone would post. I will take a look at them. At first glance, they look legit.