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Rat, you are so predictable. You cut and pasted quotes and said nothing. Your quotes, typically, are a confused mix of references to various parts of the FRS and operate on the assumption that if someone says something, it must be true (typical for a gullible conspiracy theorist).

You responded to nothing I said, refuted nothing I said, and acted exactly as I predicted. You cannot think for yourself or explain anything yourself, you can only repeat what conspiracy websites tell you to think.

 

No, you said it's a conspiracy theory that only kooks believe in, so I provided quotes to prove that isn't true. After all, if it comes from me, then it automatically must be a conspiracy theory according to you. I have already explained it all already. I am not going to explain it again, so you can continue to ignore what I say as you call me a conspiracy kook. Why should I care what you think? You have done nothing but cheerlead and defend the neocon agenda since you've been coming here. You have been outed by numerous people as a total shill.

So what "parts" of the FRS were being referred to in those quotes? When Charles Lindbergh referred to it as a "private system," what was he referring to?

I think it's time for YOU to start doing some explaining.

 

Rat

One right wing libertarian and two openly racist kooks – great people to quote there Rat – and just because someone says something that doesn’t make it automatically the truth, remember all the neo-cons that said Iraq had WMD’s and was saddam had direct linked to al-qaeda and 9/11, many believed them and many others didn’t them.

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But what I’m asking here is - what are you motives?

You don’t like the federal reserve, that is ok, people are entitled to an opinion, but what alternatives are you proposing and who would benefit from those proposals?

At one time Rat was calling for that libertarian favourite of a return to the gold standard, but that would clearly make the rich richer and be unsustainable so he seems to have dropped that idea in favour of saying that people should just leave the cities and live off the land and barter for goods and services rather than use money, which is beyond kooky, it’s just plain dumb, dystopian and unrealistic.

And once again it would be handing power over to the wealthy elites he claims to oppose.

I say claim to oppose, because although he is very load in his supposed hatred of them actually everything he’s suggest, every alternative he presents would give the wealthy elites vastly greater power.

So it makes me wonder – whose interests is he working so hard to promote?

The answer once you strip away the shrill rhetoric and actually look at the things he’s suggesting seems very much to be the interests of the rich elite.


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So giving away half your earnings in taxes makes them weaker, Balbus? You make no sense. I am not the one calling for even more bureacracy. I think you are.

 

Taxes aren't amoral there, big guy, but feel free to quote all the Nozick or Locke you want.

I know that I happen to like roads, hospitals, (maybe not as much) police, fire protection, educational systems, a common defence, etc, etc. Do I agree a hundred percent with how taxes are amassed, or what they're spent on, or how the tax burden is shared? Of course not. But that is a far cry from making them an overall bad thing.

 

And how much of the Federal Income Tax goes towards roads, hospitals, etc?

 

Of yours? I haven't been paying attention, I'm a canuck after all. Of the Canadian budget? The majority.

 

In the United States the FIT goes to pay the interest on monies "loaned" out by the Federal Reserve.

 

Opression is not about the laws on the books but on the funding and staffing of enforcement burecracies.

Lower taxes now

 

Explain this to me. Are you talking about paying interest on government bonds?

 

No, you quoted kooks.

That's the problem though Rat, you didn't explain it already. You tried and for about 10 pages you rambled on incoherently, ignoring questions, pasting random quotes, refusing to explain or back things up. After 10 pages you still couldn't even explain what you meant by the "FED". And now, typically, even though you haven't explained a thing, you are going to pretend you did. If you believe your conspiracy theories with such absolute conviction, why can you never back them up?

Having not explained and pretended you did, you now move on to smears. I don't need to do this. I know, can explain in my own words, and back up every single thing I say about the FRS.

Is this your version of outsourcing? I need to explain your theories to you?

But I have, in detail, many times. I have always been able to explain in my own words, with back up, how the FRS works. Because I actually understand it, I am not just repeating what other people tell me to think.

 

So giving away half your earnings in taxes makes them weaker, Balbus? You make no sense. I am not the one calling for even more bureacracy. I think you are.

So your answer is what, the right wing libertarian idea of low or even no taxes?

The thing is that nearly all tax cuts benefit the already wealthy far more than the people at large.

The way Rat presents things is kind of like a shell game, he misdirects people from the fact that his real intention is to aid the elite.

He shouts – high taxes and more bureaucracy

These are ‘hot buttons’, misdirection topics – people don’t like high taxes or bureaucracy especially those that have given little thought to the subject so they nod in agreement and fall for the line without seeing the hidden agenda.

But look at what low or no taxation would actually mean and it turns out the real winners, by a very long mark, would be the rich elites – and this is my point – it seems like everything Rat promotes or suggests would just increase the power of the rich elites.

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Ok very simply now (not to insult your intelligence, I just don't want to type 50 pages). In 1907 some very dubious and powerful banking interests systematically created a panic, helping to usher in an age of financial fear and uncertainty. Prior to this their had already been at least 2 failed attempts to create a central bank in the U.S., but the people understood the danger of consolidation of power, they were heard and the banks were dissolved after about 20 years. After the panic of 1907 congress created the National Monetary Commission, headed up by a Republican senator; Nelson Aldrich. Alot of people did not trust Aldrich, he had close ties to major banking interests, his daughter was married to John D. Rockefeller, Jr. and he was close friends with J.P. Morgan. Anyway after 3 years of planning Aldrich, and some very powerful bankers (Kuhn & Loeb, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, etc.) met at a secret meeting off the coast of Georgia at a place called Jekyll Island.

The bill that was written recieved very little support in congress initially, after all it was blatantly handing over our national monetary system to private bankers, but that all changed when Aldrich modified the bill to reflect that the Federal Reserve would include a token "board of governors" appointed by the president to "maintain control" over the central bankers....ppppffffftttttt....President Woodrow Wilson himself (who was supported, and installed primarily by banking/corporate interests SOLELY for this purpose) presented the bill to congress and backed it, years later Woodrow Wilson would write

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In a feeble and misguided attempt to reign in the control of the wealthy the FIT was passed by congress in 1909, effectively setting in to motion what they thought would be the constitutionality of unapportioned income taxes. This is where things get hairy, according to the United States Government the sixteenth amendment has been ratified, however according to the evidence, it has not, meaning it was never officially made an amendment to our constitution, which means it is illegal. Now all of that money that is stolen under the guise of the FIT is used to pay the INTEREST on the "notes" issued by the Federal Reserve. We have no more gold standard as well, our nations gold has not been audited in decades and decades. In conclusion our currency is worthless paper, backed by nothing, and our Federal Income Tax goes to pay the interest on the paper issued by the central bank.

 

Dude

So what alternative system would you want in place?


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Rob, I know how a central bank works. I want you to tell me how them loaning out money (which makes a profit) forced the income tax. Specifically, how it differs from the Bank of Canada, which can essentially only change the overnight loan rate to banks (an effect which trickles down towards mortages and other types of private loans).

 

The central banks are private and NOT government institutions. These PRIVATE central banks LOAN governments money which these governments must pay interest on. This creates government debt, so the governments become indebted to these private banks. This debt is used by the private banks to control governments to their own ends. The money paid on the federal income tax goes to the government to pay off this debt to (in the US) the Federal Reserve, which is incurred from the interest the banks charge on the loans. This is how banks run the world, and no matter what tactics they use to make the gullible public think they are regulated by and subservient to government institutions, the money is issued by private banks. Those who print the money and own the gold make the rules. (This should be simple logic.) Not puppets like George Bush and Stephen Harper, who are merely yes-men for the central bankers they work for and take their orders from. The people who make up the Board of Governors are no less puppets than Bush himself, and they serve to create the illusion that they are working for the people, when they are completely subservient to the private owners of these private central banks, who are the real masters.

It's NO different in Canada or anywhere else in the western world. This is why they're working to create a new common currency shared by the US, Mexico and Canada, called the Amero, which is to be based on the Euro and will coincide with the coming unification of the Americas.

 

Any of the Govenors of the Central Banks; Bernake, Greenspan, Janet Yellen, and I'm just winging it here with no links or references, could have way more power and wealth working in private industry in a place like Goldman Sacs or Bear Stearns or wherever.

They work for the Central Bank for; altruism, status, prestige, ect.

Remember Pinky & The Brain on Warners Bros Cartoons ? I'm gonna quote The Brain here:

Anybody who truly wants to "Rule The World" : Warren Buffett,
Kerk Kerkovian, Donald Trump, Bill Gates and such, they run thier own mega corporations and are not to be found schlepping for a Central Bank. Those guys pull about $130,000.00 per year as a Central Bankers.

Peanuts compared to a guy like New Jersey's: John Corzine who made enough dough at Goldman Sacs to purchase the offices of both Senator and Govenor of New Jersey and to buy the Public Employees Union also.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/economy/


atriot:

 

Hey Pepik... if you were smart (which you're not), you would have used other screen names at the dozens of other "conspiracy" sites you frequent, where you bash people as being "Jew haters" for not buying hook, line and sinker into the establishment chorus lines you spew. One should ask themselves, what does a person like Pepik get out of visiting dozens of these conspiracy websites (which he supposedly loathes), attacking anyone who doesn't buy the parroted government lies as "anti-Semites"? Why does Pepik, an admitted "London-based banker," devote so much time attempting to "debunk" people on internet websites, using the same cheap tactics and phrasing the CIA-controlled media does? Does he simply not have a life, or is there more to the story we don't know. Or do we?

Notice the common theme of this shill's threads on all forums...

http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2006/07/why-nutbars-are-being-ignored.html

Well obviously you aren't going to do it, so somebody has to. Besides last time i checked your sources I found you visit websites popular with crazed jew hating conspiracy theorists. The sources you use tell a lot about you.

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html

Sorry kenj, if you spend time at jew hating conspiracy websites, you are a jew hating conspiracy loon.

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219359

I know you're a jew hating loon, but this is beyond stupid. A few soldiers being kidnapped? Oh so you "forgot" about the ones that were KILLED. Tell me, what country lets armies in a neighbouring country cross its border, kidnap and kill people, and not respond? Are you saying Israel has no right to defend itself, they just have to sit there and let their people die? Is that what your conspiracy websites tell you.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/08/loose-change-third-lame-attempt-at.html

Its easy to write it off as the kind of loonies the internet attracts. But there is something scary about a growing movement of angry lunatics gathering to discuss their jew hating conspiracies. Deja vu?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?=&p=59374

Its interesting that you join a thread started to promote anti-semetic conspiracy theories not to criticise the jew hater, but instead to put forward the idea that the filth (aka critics) - already herded into a little corner of the forum - don't even deserve this "sewer" and should no longer be tolerated at all. Troofers, you never fail to impress.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/08/is-jim-fetzer-nazi-or-just-stupid_15.html

The dual citizenship claim is usually a code word for "jew"

Another person regarding Pepik:

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html

kenj said... Pepik has an interesting background. He posts regularly at 911ConspiracySmasher. I remember him taking me to task once because I merely posted a link to one article at the WakeUpFromYourSlumber website. Accused me of being a "jew hater" and that I supported Holocaust denial (I never have). I asked him about the Israeli bombing of Gaza's main power plant last year and asked him to at least acknowledge that the action may have been in breech of the Geneva Conventions. He couldn't come at it. He repeatedly refused to acknowledge in any way that this denial of electricity to 700,000 Palestinians might have been morally objectionable. I asked him in a series of exchanges to clarify his position on the human rights of Palestinians. Specifically, I asked him repeatedly if he could merely state or affirm that "PALESTINIANS ARE HUMANS TOO" and that their civil and human rights were worth consideration. He refused to do so. He just couldn't let the words out of his mouth. He could not even acknowledge that Palestinians were human. He's a racist piece of crap.

SO IF "PEPIK" HATES "JEW HATERS" SO MUCH, WHY DOES HE SPEND SO MUCH TIME AT THEIR WEBSITES TRYING TO "DEBUNK" THEM???

Pepik's Blogger.com profile:



Pepik

• Gender: Male
• Industry: Banking
• Occupation: buy lo sell hi
• Location: London : United Kingdom

IS IT ANY WONDER "PEPIK" SPENDS SO MUCH TIME ARGUING ABOUT THE FEDERAL RESERVE, OBVIOUSLY ANGRY WHENEVER IT'S MENTIONED THAT IT'S PRIVATE??? HE'S DEFENDING THE BOYS HE MUST LICK THE BOOTS OF!

 

I mean can anyone name something Rat has suggested that wouldn’t in some way aid the rich elites?

Oh he talks about wanting to bring them down, he shouts and rants and riles and he makes it abundantly clear to everyone that he dislikes them.

But isn’t it all a bit overdone, a bit like a distraction?

Think about it - many people here are in one way and another against the rich, established elites of the world, but do we makes as much of it as Rat?

It is as if he is waving his arms and shouting ‘look over here’, so we don’t look elsewhere, so what would Rat be trying to distracting people from looking at?

Could he be trying to hide the fact that everything he has proposed or suggested is favourable to the very elites that he is so loud about saying he’s against?

And what about Rat’s chorus - the ones that jump in and say how much sense he’s making - do they understand Rat’s hidden agenda or are they willing participants?


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