Possible God

I would say that the subjective leads way to the objective. There will be actual changes in our brain depending on our take on subjectivity.

 

Actually the word means beyond perception and in this case I would add the word current perception.
There are objects that appear to us for the first time by virtue of the Hubble telescope.
The objective constituents that you seek are there you just need a sufficiently calibrated sensory device to apprehend them.

 

Objective-subjective.
I have loved more than one in my life. One had their face, the other another. I gave all my love to one. I gave all my love to the other. It is the same love no matter that the names and faces change. I now give all my love to all and that in no way diminishes all the love I have to give.

 

Subjective- value or meaning is dependent on the subject (the observer)
Objective- essence is dependent on the object (observed)

Love is subjective because it is the one doing the loving, the subject, that the love is dependent upon. That the object is lovable is only true because the subject has the ability to love the object (person). That's why differing subjects can both love and loath the same object. Your final sentence is nonsensical. Of course it is. Intimacy is a matter of subjectivity. Without a subject nothing is intimate.

An objective assessment is free from judgment or emotion. It is an assessment of what is, not of what is good, bad, beautiful, etc. Science is an objective matter, concerned with the properties of reality, not their value. That's not to say that a scientist treats matters of subjectivity objectively or vice versa. One must learn to differentiate between the two or be condemned to a life of confusion and headaches (ever try to argue over which music or movie is better?).

 

I get what you're saying. You asked the question earlier of why people believe in God or why is God necessary? That's mainly what I've been trying to answer. We can look to science to find a more predictable reality, but people still have a yearning to relate to existence in a deeper way. That's why I mention Spock. For Spock science is a perfect fit for relating to existence, because he has little or no emotion. However, for humans science only satisfies part of what they desire. The other part is found in things like poetry, music, dance, painting etc. So God satisfies both at the same time. Belief in God forms a connection and relation with rest of existence in a deep way.

 

As I said-- a meaningless concept: beyond the end.
modifying it with "current" is null, i.e., it still assumes the infinite.

Monkeyboy,
I must say, the only need I see that is met by the various religions promoting the god-concept is to allow one man to enslave his brother.

 

We are born devoted.
We are taught to believe instead.
This creates the necessity of cultivating belief in order that we be directed back to our true devoted and unassailable relationship with creation.
The necessity for belief is a temporary expediency. We believe until we can witness for ourselves the truth.

 

As you only posit the finite.

 

...or serve his brother.

 

Precisely. When we see Christ we shall be like him. Let the mind of Christ be in you also.

 

As I've stated repeatedly, "Infinity" is a matematical artifact with no real existence in Nature.

It follows that, if the god-concept requires Infinity as a preresiquite, than it, too, has no Real existence in Nature.
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Point: God cannot, (does not? will not?) violate the terms of his own will. Nor does she second guess herself.

This is an obvious derivative of Physics, although it is probably at odds with the bible and such.

 

I'm not religious. In fact, I abhor the concept of "church".

Yet I serve my brothers. I work with Runaways and hand out more $$ then you would believe to street people.

I also live right down the street from the scientology celebrity center.
Now no matter how I feel about a particular religion, I would NEVER compare any of them to scientology, HOWEVER, they are masters at using belief systems to manipulate and, indeed, enslave the gullible. They epitomize every evil use to which organized religion can be put.

Without religion, scientology could not enslave fools; yet we are all perfectly capable of serving one another. No god required.

 

No thanks-- I've little use for a 2000 year-dead mind set.

Besides-- Jesus was a mystic, not a churchman. I suspect my helping people without an ulterior motive would be far more to his liking than those who seek the key to heaven through thier efforts.
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To call Jesus god is to abandon evidence in favor self-serving, unsubstatiated, opinion.

 

Good for you. I believe this only I also believe Christ serves me so my serving is in gratitude. This is actually Christianity in a nut shell imo.

 

I believe that I stated that religion was useless and unnecessary because everything it offers can be obtained without it while maintaining rationality and self-honesty. You seem to have the misconception that this is a divide between science and religion. It is not. It's a divide between religion and non religion. The typical non-religious person satisfies all of their needs any way they see fit, they just don't use antiquated ideas about immaterial, omniscient big brothers. Religion reduces to pretense, wishful thinking and self-deception. It does not provide "relation with the rest of existence in a deep way" in any more deep a way as can be achieved without it. It's one option that can serve its purpose to the individual, and can even provide happiness for the right type of person, but I see it as philosophy for the lazy and intellectually dishonest.

 

I guess we all have to look for what best works for ourselves. Then we can really have confidence and conviction in it.

 

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Which in no wise is the beginning. Wholeness is not a matter of degree.

Looks more to me like an inability to see beyond the horizon.

 

Well, since your a solipsist, how things look to you is all there is.

But the answers are out there-->

Not in here --->I<----

Reality is Real. Your god-- limited to your opinion as he is-- is not.
Or, at most, he dies with you.
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Hey monkeyboy,
ever read The Plain Truth?
Fascinating take on the whole christianity thing.