Possible draft?

us fat guys, we dont count.

 

Shut up... I love fat guys! LOL!

Ummm, RA, you and I... I think we've agreed to disagree, and I really have enjoyed debating with you, but you really shouldn't tell someone that their opinion is wrong. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one, and everyone thinks that everyone else's stinks, because it's just that, an opinion. They can't be right or wrong... And no matter how many times I re-read our stuff, I still don't agree w/ you (sorry!), but that doesn't mean we can't get along, just because we can't see eye to eye. Do you see what I'm getting at?

 

They are implying that I think there is a link between Saddam and the event's of 9/11. Nowhere in my posts did I emply it. When they took statements of mine and tried to make some connection, I showed them where they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong, and in this case, their opinions of my statements are. Imagine looking at a piece of art and saying "I think the artist was trying to say this" and the the artist walking up behind you and saying "No, sorry, I wassn't".

 

I've got to say that I see how they could have thought that though, hon. The war on terror was instigated by the events of September 11, for which Al Quida and Afghanistan were responsible. We took care of Afghanistan, and since our miraculous "sources" said they thought Osama went into Iraq, we started to find "reasons" (excuses) i.e. WMD to turn our eyes to Iraq. So it's not necessarily that you in and of yourself made this correlation, but you did say that you supported and believed in this notion, that the war on terror should only naturally include Iraq, for the reasons the gov't cited. What we're getting at is that this is not a natural correlation, we didn't have enough evidence to go in there... that's all.

 

Well, I have to admit that I didn't read the part where you, Real American, explained that you tried to join the ranks. I'm sorry for accusing you. However, that fact that you tried to sign up does make me feel a bit better about the whole argument/discussion thing going on here. It helps you to better back up your statements, in my eyes.

Anyway, I don't think that you can change my mind about the fact that you made an incorrect relationship between September 11th and Iraq, but it doesn't really matter. Neither of us will back down, so there is really no point in arguing about it.



Oh, and about the Bush's daughter thing, I didn't really mean that they should be drafted. I meant that if this is such a serious problem we're facing, then Bush's daughters should be serving as well... they should be signing up to help their father's effort. Also, supposedly, from what I've read from other posts on this thread, a new draft would include women, so they COULD be drafted... but they won't be. Bush doesn't have a problem sending OTHER people's children to die, but he won't send his own.



I know this a VERY idealistic and very hippy thing to think, but I hope that someday, we will be able to solve these problems without killing... war is terrible. No one EVER comes out a true winner in a war. Everyone loses. Allow me to quote the Zombies from their song called "Butcher's Tale (Western Front 1914)" about WWI:

And I can't stop shaking
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My hands won't stop shaking
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My arms won't stop shaking
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My mind won't stop shaking
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I want to go home
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Please let me go home
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Go home
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the only reason the draft would be instated is because people dont want to join the armed forces.. I respect your opinions but we wouldn't be in this mess if more people would join now would we? kinda sad how un-american Americans are now.. they used to join the millitary for what is right not because they dont support the war..

 

yo republican. we don't support the war because it's wrong

 

lol - so well said!

 

Here we go again!

Proof please. What makes it wrong? Before you answer, please read every post in this thread as I am sure your reasons have been covered.

 

This is why I feel it is wrong.

Afghanistan deserved invasion, we had proof of involvement regarding 9/11. We didn't have enough evidence about anything worthy of invasion for Iraq. Not that we wouldn't have found something had we investigated more... but now we look like a bunch of asses, b/c we haven't found Bin Laden in Iraq, and we don't have any WMD either. Looks like EVERYONE needs to read more carefully...

 

How's this:

Regardless of why we think it is wrong, if we think it is wrong we shouldn't have to be a part of it, and certainly shouldn't have to kill people because of it! Even if the only reason we think it is wrong is that it just doesn't feel right!

I am not just trying t avoid answering your question, ra, but we've been over why we feel it is wrong, and you just don't like anyone's reasons. That is fine, you don't have to, and we don't have to like your reasons for thinking it is right. Those are what we call opinions, and we are all entitled to them. No one should be forced to do something that they do not agree with, that is wrong!

 

*GRIN* I agree. That is, after all, the point of this thread is to discuss the draft, not whether America was in the right to go forth w/ their occupation. And since we don't think the U.S. was in the right, we shouldn't have to fight and die because someone else says it's the right thing to do.
Just the facts, Jack!

 

And Real American, we're down your opinions. Just don't shout down ours.

 

Umm, I'm not. Did you read my last post? I asked a person why? Geez I'm sick and tired of everyone here telling me my opinion is wrong then forcing theirs on me. I never said you aren't entitled to yours....I AM SIMPLY DISCUSING IT WITH YOU! Over and over I her "ra, you just don't listen" "ra, you don't believe anyone elses" BLAH BLAH BLAH. Holy crap people. The object here is someone posts their opinion, then someone replies with either an agreement or not. Then a rebutle, and so on and so forth. I made a post discussing my fealings on the draft, and then all of a sudden I am attacked for it. The posting then went to me defending myself over and over.

NOW...a new person came into the thread and made a post. I directed my question to him clearly because I ALREADY KNEW HOW YOU FEALT....am I not allowed to further the convorsation with someone else? I'll quote myself again, this time read it folks!

One more thing I'll direct to all of you. If you support the fight on terrorism, well guess what, that's what is happeneing in Iraq now. We are no longer at war with Iraq. Sadam has been removed from power. A new government is beig formed. We are now figting terrorism.

 

I think the problem that most of us have, and what you say is "attacking" you, ra, would be your name calling and belittling of other's opinions. You don't have to agree with anyone, you can even try your hardest to disprove their theories, but you should remain respectful, or get used to being "attacked."

 

Haha, Real American, you're one to talk! Before you posted on this thread, everyone was discussing, PEACEFULLY, the thought of a possible draft. Then, you came prancing in here and just started attacking everyone, adding nothing to the actual discussion of the draft. Just admit it, you LOVE to argue... that's fine, as many people do, but don't act like YOU'RE the one who's being attacked.

Heh, just your name is an attack... "Real American," sounds as if you're suggesting that the rest of us AREN'T real Americans.

 

Oh, and one more thing, Real American, quit telling everyone to PROVE their opinions! It's an opinion for crying out loud! It doesn't need to be proven! That's what makes it an opinion!

 

RA, nobody's forcing their opinion on you, we all know how you feel, and you know how we feel... Perhaps it would be easier if when you are asking a question of a specific person to make sure it is clear that you are directing the question to them. I think all parties included in this discussion understand that no one is going to change anyone's mind, here. There's not gonna be any converts in this thread!


But as I was trying to say before, we've gotten off the point of the thread... How the hell are we going to send someone to fight in a war to possibly die if they don't believe in fighting or war? Who the hell is our government to dictate whether we live or die, to tell us what we need to do with our lives? This is SUPPOSED to be a free country. If the draft is reinstated for everyone, man and woman alike, how can we call this a free country when nobody's even free to make the choice to live, period?

 

I feel that torture chambers and death camps were good reasons... the fact that people who said bad things about Saddam, if they were men, there wives were raped and the video is given to the man and he has to suffer through watching his wife raped.. Then Saddam gets a copy and he watches it like porn...



If that’s not enough Saddam killed the Kurds... let me ask you? You get mad at Israel for there strong attack on Palestine... well Saddam has killed sooooo many more Kurds and palistinians than Isreal have...





Also as the CIA world fact book said

http://cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html



The facts are that Bush's Intel was off because it failed to mention that the weapons were hidden.... You have no proof that they don’t exist... u only bank on the fact that we have not found aney... well we have been attacked by seren gas a chemical weapon... a WMD... and not to mention that I could easily hide asmany WMDs as I want in the Iraqi deserts

True but he is trying to ask you to proove what u say.. when its crazey...
I can say Saddam is a great guy.. but thats not true and stuped.. so.. dont belive stuped things..

 

Oh... my... God. How ironic is that? You are telling people not to believe "stupId" things when you can't even spell the damn word! (You screwed up seven other words as well, but that's off the point.)