Pornography isn't degrading.

Prove me wrong.

 

I agree with you, women don't like weak men, they want men with good physical strength, whY? - so that if the man controls the society, woman controls the man, the man is better able to take care of her and her children and will be submissive to her , while being the dominant one over the society. Dude, it is still playing into this idea of wanting to dominate.

yes, and probably you will make a girl very happy, if you are submissive enough to her whims, to her charms and to her beauty. So, really when you think of it like that, you realize its all about pleasing women for you, shows that you are the server,therefore are submissive to them.

You see, it is more complicated with women, because they are looking for successful people, and success really depends on the perspective of the woman. Some women subconsciously prefer muscular guys , some prefer rich guys, I don't know about fat guys though- this is something new, but then the guy might have been muscular or rich when she married him.. or could have been a rebel.

No , i thnk you are not analyzing enough. Women are here to serve men, in men's perspective and men are there to serve women in women's perspective, The truth really depends on the way you see it- that is what I was trying to get at. And from the evolutionary psychology perspective, it is all about making babies and making sure they pass on genes to the next generation successfully.

 

My argument also plays into the idea of why women here are not agreeing with you, and that is because they also want to dominate subconsciously, they want you to listen to them, as I right now want everyone to listen to me, and just like you want me to listen to you and we are all telling each other how to analyze things, but then we realize that all of this is just perspective, the things like submission, domination are things that are very bad at describing human interactions because you cannot use shallow or simple words to describe an intricate web of complexities. When you mistakenly do that, you oversimplify situations and realize that you have a very narrow mind, trust me, ive been there and done that.

 

Jedi,

I give you credit for thinking originally and giving thoughts most don't have on this issue. But I'm afraid that your posts show some analysis paralysis.

There is truth in what you say about women wanting to dominate as well. We all, to some degree, want to dominate. But we don't want to dominate all the time. If I am in a relationship, and I find it sexually thrilling to dominate a woman, that does not mean that I can't also enjoy being submissive. And it's true, by working to support a wife and children, a man is being submissive. With his physical strength he can kill his wife and children, but he instead works hard (under ideal conditions) to provide for them and make them happy.

When you are driving down a road and someone is walking across the street, you will naturally stop so as to avoid hitting him. If we don't consider the feelings or lives of others, we may run over them without remorse. Life is such that we must cooperate and reciprocate on a daily basis, or else society becomes chaotic and unlivable. So we must restrain ourselves and even submit to the wishes of others. We don't always realize how vulnerable others are to us in certain situations.

So yes, I concede that we all wish to dominate and get our way at times, and that we all must submit to others.

However, men, being physically stronger and more aggressive, are going to have a role in a relationship which differs from and yet complements that of women. A man will be dominant in ways the woman will not be, due to his nature. Sexually, the man is dominant. If he submits to the woman, it is only because he has consented to it. Physically, because he is stronger and penetrates the woman, he is master.

 

holy generalizations batman


-SOME- women like dominant men, and -some- women like submissive men
-SOME- men like dominant women, and -some- men like submissive women

How hard is this to reconcile? Why do we have to generalize about half the freakin population?

 

I learned in sociology class in college that generalizations can be valid. For example, men are taller than women. This does not mean all men are taller than all women. If we focus too much on the details and exceptions, we may sacrifice some of the power of our arguments and bore readers to death.

Your statements above are so obvious they need not be pointed out.

 

but the "men want" "women want" crap comes out as though you are attempting to speak for the whole gender, not some, not a portion thereof. It's like saying blue when you mean green. They're similar, but not the same thing. Clarification n all that jazz

 

With all due respect, ihmurria, without generalizing I am not so sure it's possible to discuss sociology. You are right, I could have written "most women do not like submissive men" rather than "women do not like submissive men," and I could have put "most" before other generalizations, which could have prevented your objection, but re-reading the thread I must say it is seems a little like nitpicking. I pointed out some posts ago (on this thread) that in some relationships women are more dominant. This implies there are exceptions, such as those you mentioned.

If I may be granted another generalization, it seems women are more emotional than men, which means at times they may be less able than men to read between the lines and be objective about a topic that is emotionally charged for them.

Maybe I should be more careful with my wording, though. And you may be right that the exceptions can be very important to an overall argument.

 

Did you actually just say that?????? Its weird I like most people and tend to see peoples good parts more than thier bad parts, but I really dont like you....sorry thats just really offensive to me



For that matter I am very feminine and yin but anybody anylyzing my boyfriend and my relationship would see him as the submissive one. He is not weak and he has muscles but he is very quiet and sweet and prolly couldnt control people if he wanted to.




There are and have always been cultures where the woman is dominant. Futhermore before the whole Jesus thing people totally worshipped the Goddess. We went from a Matriarcy to a Patriarcy and Im hoping that we"re moving into the child. Mama dont like hearin you talk about how men is master. It doesnt make me mad so much as sad.

 

Mr. Anarchist, I guess you did not read my post carefully, dominance and repression do not apply to most of the things in a relationship. However, I see why you cling to your views and that is because of what youve said....
That you get "turned on" dominating a woman, you get turned on being the master, so in your thinking this has to be the proper way, its okay man .Its up to you, but the actual reality might be very different from what we may think.

 

Hey, you supplied the argument, not me...if you want to give me facts, give me cited facts, not something you pull out of your ignorant ass.

 

Get real, you have no idea what women want. Maybe some women just want a guy that looks good, but there are even more out there that appreciate a guy who is sensitive and compassionate. Not some arrogant ass who thinks they should dominate a relationship...because I, for one, and I probably speak for a lot of other women on here, would rather a relationship be equal.

 

That's a pretty arrogant thing to say, Mr. "Philosopher."

I am describing the nature of men versus women. Whether I am homosexual or asexual would still make no difference to my conclusion. Your response has shifted to me personally rather than to my conclusions.

I did not find any enlightenment from you, so I am done with you in this discussion.

 

I don't think I wrote anything that contradicts this. You seem to be reading things into my posts that are not there. It could be your emotional nature.

 

Or it could be you saying that you think that most men feel should be the "master" in the relationship. That's why they like to be dominate. I'm not sure how being the "master" means being "equal".

 

it's about balance, give and take

no relationship is perfectly balanced, but it's somethign to aim for. A man may be more dominant in one aspect of the relationship, and a woman in the other. Major decisions can be shared equally, the woman more dominant in deciding when and where they meet, what to do on dates etc, and the man more dominant in bed. Or vice versa

Overbearing generalizations based on gender are just silly. People are unique, their experiences/wants/needs/desires are unique. Unique and diverse enough that I feel most generalizations are false or don't reflect anything real

 

ARGHH I hate when people want to dominate. I like things to be equal, balanced. If a woman wanted me to dominate her in a relationship for some strange reason, she would have to ask or tell me to do it.

Anarchist: You're kind of acting like because you took a 101 course in sociology that you are an authority on the topic. I don't see anything 'arrogant' about what Jedi has said. I also think you should to read his post more carefully, but hey that's just what I think. I'm not going to argue over this tangent.

 

I hope I don't come off as smug in this forum, and I may have done so without realizing. Maybe I was a bit harsh to Jedi, but I feel disappointed in my conversation with him, because I was hoping we could see eye to eye. What he is saying just doesn't register with me. But hey, we are entitled to our own views.

To Dancerannie: I think you've misinterpreted what I have written. Didn't you say in another thread that you once had an abusive relationship? If this is so, it may color your views on my posts. I do not believe women are here to serve men. I don't feel men live on earth to put women in their place. I just took some of my personal thoughts, made some generalizations I felt even the females of this forum reinforce in their postings in the "Love and Sex" forum, and put them in this thread in a somewhat crude and blunt way. Maybe I was not sensitive enough given that this thread will attract feminists who have already formed their opinions. Anyway, I really do not wish to offend you and others here.

 

Me being in an abusive relationship has nothing to do with this thread and I'm offended you would bring something like that up. A lot of women have been in abusive relationships. Why? Because we run into men like you who seem nice at first, but under that they think they should dominate people. Oh yes, seems as if it's a pattern.

Either you're really asinine, or you don't know how to express your works clearly and concisely.

 

Men are sexually (men have dicks that fuck, screw, and penetrate, and women do not), physically, and biologically dominate, how can you argue against this? It is just common sense, some men use their power negatively and abuse women with it and many use their power positively to support and help women.



Some men cannot think beyond their dicks, and when they do so women are on lower level.