Pornographer sentenced to nearly four years in prison

Allegations of abuse are fine. If they are proven in a court of law, he deserves jail.

This case does NOT deal with allegations of abuse. It deals with "selling indecent material". Period.

Pissing on the first amendment, and cheering on as we come closer and closer to the government policing our thoughts, is simply scary.

If you are not a social conservative, who believes in state intervention in our bedrooms and in our minds to ensure a majoritarian culture that is the final arbiter of morality and decency, don't talk and don't act like one.

If it walks like a duck...

 

I do not see this case as being indicative of that. Maybe had it been a pornographer who doesn't conduct the type of unlawful acts that Max Hardcore represents, then i would agree with you. You wouldn't defend the rights of someone like Jack Kevorkian would you?

I think you need to analyze your definition of first amendment rights and look at the whole picture here.

 

From a guy who pays homage to Emery in his screen name, utterly shocking.

Let me clarify, one more time. "Illegal acts" allegedly (by you, not the plaintiff) committed in the videos have nothing to do with this court case. The man in question was not prosecuted or convicted for the acts you describe, merely for selling the material. It sets a precedent. Please, educate yourself on the basics of law and jurisprudence. Learn the difference between "narrowly defined" and "broadly defined".

Your man Mark Emery fought something legally identical in his early career. Guess what it was? Shopping on Sunday. No joke. Opening your store on Sunday used to get you fined, because the "community standards" bullshit you are now defending was the law of the land. It's laughable now, but back then Emery was borderline revolutionary for saying it's ok to go buy your groceries or visit a pet store on Sunday.

Has Canadian society slipped into chaos because Ontarians can now go to Canadian Tire on Sunday?

unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you intend. When the government has the precedent you are cheering for, it can then apply it to other issues. Judges don't get to constrain rulings to the best intentions of all involved. They have to follow or overturn based on legal concepts.

 

And the short answer is YES. I do defend the rights of terminally ill patients to die with dignity.

 

I would hardly call that legally identical. Community standards have nothing to do with this. There is absolutely no comparison between a traditional Canadian law that used to prevent people from working on sundays and this.

My argument is why defend the rights of someone who knowingly pushed legal boundaries in his career to the point of being a rapist? Sure, i'll admit morals are involved with this as well which is why i brought up kevorkian. He wants the right to kill someone if it is their will. Max wants the right to violently rape a girl if it is her will. You have to draw a line somewhere because you cannot tell the guy who only wants to assist terminally ill patients to commit suicide that it's ok, and tell the guy that wants to assist patients diagnosed with severe depression that he cant.

The fact of the matter is, if you speak out against the few laws that really do work in protecting society and the rights of women, then you are implying that there should be no justice at all in our legal system. The obscenity laws are obviously just a way to get a little control over the porn industry and Max Hardcore stands alone in his violation of these. While i do not support the law per se, i cannot ignore the fact that the modern porn industry can be threatening with the growth of mock-rape porn and all that people like Max Hardcore stand for and that is who this law targets.

Have a daughter once, it might change your mind.

 

"community standards" is the judicial concept the judge has to use because that is the current precedent for determining whether or not an obscenity law is enforceable at the local level under the US Constitution. So yeah, it has everything to do with this case. The definition of obscenity goes something like this: you can't define it, but you know it when you see it. So, it is necessarily broad.

I have said nothing against laws that protect the rights of women, and that is pretty cheap of you to use a subject so serious for your straw man, when you could not possibly think I really feel antipathy for the rights of women. Rape is a felony, and I feel the material posted is utterly revolting. But we are not talking about a case where the accused is being prosecuted for rape or abuse. Criminal statutes ought not be used arbitrarily as a tool for correcting injustices not addressed directly by them. It's not how it's done.

 

They degraded and humiliated themselves last I checked.

 

how the fuck do you know that?

I would tell you to just stop talking but that wouldn't be right would it?

 

your mistaking my approach. i am more or less speaking out against the people that protect the rights of an individual who is pro rape. the court case could really mean jack shit to me when it comes down to it. he is being served justice for thinking the way he does and you would say the same thing about someone who legitimately obsesses over murdering people. the laws and our legal system in general might be fucked, but he deserves to be where he is. he more or less asked for it. and that is all that matters to me. so when someone defends him, it just seems crazy to me and you have to admit that we all need morals to some extent whether our legal system is involved or not.

 

I haven't seen any post on this forum that is pro rape.

I don't misunderstand your approach. Your approach is just reprehensible, is all i'm saying.

The root concept you don't seem to respect, by the way, is the right to face one's accuser. It is constitutionally guaranteed. If you want to put a guy away for abuse and rape, you have to face him, accuse him of it, and allow him to defend himself before a jury of his peers.

 

From that porn forum link:

- Cherry Chen; Max fucks her ass hard, and at one point appears to hurt her. She whispers,
"You're hurting me." To which Max replies, "I don't care... That's the point."

Planet Max 1 (1999)
- Anastasia Blue; She is fisted in the first scene. Max throat fucks until she nearly pukes.
- Ryan: She is pissed on and anally raped in her scene. Matt wrote in his review for the film. "severely mouth rapes her. Man what a segment that was. She begs for him to slow up or stop and is definitely crying in agony! That
only infuriates him more along with her wiping away/spitting saliva in disgust and he pounds harder into her mouth leaning backwards on his chair." I've watched the scene and this girl is in no way faking it, she is crying and begging Max to stop. "Can't you take your prick out." She cries to Max, he keeps saying, "A little bit longer," while continuing to pump away. Max also pisses on her to round out the scene.

Hollywood Hardcore 8 (1999)
- Claudia Corazon; Max pisses on her face. She drinks some of Max's piss.
- Melody Love pisses onto ground for Max. "after the normal start suddenly
the music wells up and overlays the human voices and at that point Max tries to anal her. She's pushing him away and obviously saying no with her face contorted in apparent agony (facially she's not too attractive anyway but this makes her look really ugly). He holds her down and continues anyway, at one stage choking her. She seems to appeal to the cameraguy but of course he just continues videotaping. Then Max goes back to vaginal sex and the music dies down and is replaced by the normal human noises." - Patrick Riley.

Maxed Out 20 (2000)
- Olivia; Actress Olivia claimed that she was coerced into sex during this shoot. All copies of this film were pulled. "After a while, he tries to get her to do an ass to mouth and she won't do it. She says "no no no no no".
Max sort of pushes her mouth towards his cock, but she resists. She then looks up at him and at the camera man, then gives in and does the ass to mouth. It's pretty compelling to watch. I wouldn't say that they forced her
to do it, but I think they made it clear that she should. I would think she would have known before hand that ass to mouth was part of the deal, but who knows. There's more to the story here. Later in the scene, Max has her upside down and he's forcing his cock down her throat. After a few minutes of this, she tries to get up and says "that's it, I've had enough". But Max just keeps going. I have to admit, that was a bit distrubing. Actually, quite distrubing. Max ignored her when she said she wanted the scene to stop. That's just wrong. The only other notable part of the scene is when she says something like "god, I'm such a whore" and looks off the set at the camera people as if she's shocked at what she's doing."

These are not examples of rape promotion?
Oh, and there's plenty more where that came from

 

I naturally agree, but in this case HE HAS FILMED HIMSELF DOING THESE THINGS. The videos do not lie, and there are absolutely no arguments against the accusations that this guy promotes the act of rape. So i feel in a case like this, one can accuse someone of being pro rape simply based on the fact that his profession is admittedly being a (mock) rapist. fuck all that legal shit.

 

An interesting description of the monster on urbandictionary -

6. Max Hardcore

Max Hardcore is the old (almost bald) perverted looking dude who is the "extreme" or "Hardcore" porn master. Max Hardcore, born Paul F. Little, also known by pseudo name Max Steiner is the Grandfather or undisputed King of the genre. A genre that is partially his namesake; that now has a slew of imitators, wannabes, somewhat successful challengers, near do wells and the like; that have to date, not come close to dethroning Max.
Max for instance is now widely known for having DESTROYED the popular (at one time even attractive) African American porn starlet Mya Mason earlier on in her burgeoning career. Sans or via the following:
Mya Mason aka Mya Johnson, or Maya Mason, aka China: the waifish, African American, porn princess; was throat gagged, sodomized, made to vomit on herself, and forcefully tricked into drinking a bellyful of the very old Max Steiner aka Max Hardcore’s urine. He even stuck his penis up in her rectum, pulled it out and rammed it in her mouth; in a maneuver known in "Hardcore" as ATM or Ass to Mouth. In the scene Mya Mason is being "throat gagged" by Max Hardcore and is vomiting up all over herself until she's effectively retching up bile and lying in a pool of her own sic. When Max pauses begins straining and then he urinates down her throat. She breaks down and starts crying and fighting back until the scene is stopped; but after further enthusiastic discussion of the scene (and the contract she signed) she willingly continues (although she continues to sob as she is sodomized) until her anus is gaping & hanging open like a tired hound dogs mouth and she finishes the scene by swallowing his ejaculate or "money shot". As he barks orders to her like a demanding Drill Sergeant, almost forcing her throughout the scene to obey his masterful (sometimes almost belligerent or borderline abusive) commands. This is one of the most shocking, disgraceful, introductions to hardcore porn ever caught on camera or released to the public.

Now this incident is something Mya doesn’t brag about, now that she’s more mainstream and is a career porn starlet; but fans refer to a shocking introduction or tragic start in the world of "extreme" or "hardcore" porn, as a "Mya Mason". A living tribute to the perversion that occurred in that video. A legacy to the nefariously vile, villainy of The Most Perverted Man in Porn, Hardcore Old Perv Number #1, the Ruination of Mya’s dreams of ever wearing a white wedding dress or any wedding dress, Max “Look at that gape” Hardcore!

In the scene in question, Max Hardcore is gagging her with his pe#is when he stops "Face F#cki*ng" her, after she has vomited all over herself (from her gag reflex being triggered or having his c@ck crammed pass the back of her tongue pass her gag tolerance). Then Max can clearly be seen straining, although her eyes are covered in vomit and mucous, (from her puking with her head held back) & closed. When without warning he jabs or pushes his semi-erect p*n!s deep down her throat and begins to urinate, but Maya chokes and has his urine coming out of her nose when seemingly surprised she jerks away and fights back a little before breaking down & crying. As some of the camera guys are seen walking away or turning their cameras off, one camera continues to film; and she's clearly heard saying through the tears that she didn't think that he would actually pee or urinate into her mouth... The whole scene stops and Max ask her if she's going to continue or finish the scene.
I believe it was one of her first "extreme" scenes. (Although she seems to have worked with Max before looking at the production dates). Perhaps she didn't know about Max Hardcore’s reputation or had never heard of his old series Pi$s Gu%zlers (before he was brought up on charges of indecency, that he beat although he discontinued that series). She seems to have thought that the urine would be fake, or edited to look a certain way, or done with some type of trickery or illusion.

In order to make a long description short I'll just say that out of the several girls I've seen take a whooping from Max Hardcore this is probably the only African American girl that I've ever seen debased like this on film. Max Hardcore is brilliant, and his lack of morals or consideration for Mya, or her life afterwards, or anyone who stumbles on the scene is nihilistic and anarchist to a pie-like degree. It’s just raw, pure debasement that can hardly be categorized as sex or a sex scene. Although it may be very sexually exciting from a third person point of view for the sick, perverted, sadist, fetishist, voyeur, that is sometimes buried deep inside of us.
Her mind had to twist or bend during that moment when she tasted the hot rancid piss in order not to break. Although cashing her check and realizing that her debasement is now a video had to break her at least on some level of psychiatry. I wouldn’t want there to be a video available of myself slipping on the sidewalk or my Mother singing off key.

The level of her shame has to be infinitesimal: cashing the check, actually showing up for the scene, the ATM, being gagged and made to puke on herself, the gaping till her anus wouldn't close, the crying and blowing snot bubbles as Max clearly enjoyed tapping that ass every which way but up, etc...
What truly makes Max the Master and her ruination complete is that it’s all done so strategically that it’s somehow legal. An airtight contract, everything videotaped beginning with her arrival and her initial reading of the said contract and that continues for as long as she is in his presence ending in her deposition afterwards into the camera (as he writes out her check, lol) that she was not forced or coerced into doing anything she wasn’t ok with…

The scene in question is still available for viewing almost everywhere and the EU (European) version includes bonus footage banned from the retail version in the US.

Now when some new porn starlet is introduced feet first into "Hardcore" or "extreme" porn in some extreme scene it's known or referred to as a “Mya Mason“. That's the legend of the Porn "Rasputin" we all know and refer to as Max Hardcore. A scene with Max Hardcore can truly "make you famous" or infamous.
Max Hardcore has made it where girls considering making some quick cash in an "extreme" or "Hardcore" porn scene should always read the fine print. They should also find out who’ll they’ll be working with and what they’ll be required to do; to avoid ending up in a "Maya Mason", and “Max Hardcored“.

If I had known that Mya Mason had been through the "Max Hardcore" treatment I would've never even let that chick see my C@ck let alone suck it. That bia-itch drank a belly full of rotten old man piss... Just thinking about what Max Hardcore did to her makes my skin crawl. Being around that chick after that, makes you feel like you should be wearing rubber gloves and running for the Lysol.

 

Yeah, why don't we "fuck all that legal shit", and just get an angry mob together, with pitchforks and torches, and BURN THE MONSTER!

 

These are characters that the actress's are playing in a movie. They are not actually being raped... I hope that helped clear a few things up.

 

I've had a few girlfriends that had the rape fantasy, and they seemed like totally normal people without any history of sexual abuse.

They just thought it was "hot"

but I could never even pretend. Point is, people enjoy this stuff, whether you think it's sick and twisted or not.

 

OMG NO

MAX HARDCORE IS AWESOME

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT

FUCK

his videos arent that bad!

theyre hilarious

FUCK

as soon as I saw this title I thought of his name

FUUUCK

poor guy

 

does the word "promotion" have no meaning? Max Hardcore celebrates the idea that it is healthy to have rape fantasies. If you are all saying that you think it is socially healthy to have rape fantasies, maybe i am on the wrong forums. There are some people who will find their way around any moral issue because they think like a politician and that is what i am being told here, that you are all morally ignorant to the very core. No it's not social conservatism, or old-fashioned thought for that matter. But the fact that i could'nt even attempt to approach this topic without someone flat-out claiming they are a fan of this socially-decrepit bastard and all he stands for, like arlandis here has, kind of scares me away from the this thread (or these forums for that matter). Take what you want from my argument, but remember the tone of sincerity i attempted to make only to be told that my thoughts were old fashioned and conservative. Fuck Max Hardcore and fuck all of his supporters on here. You can all get off to misogynistic rape fantasy and live happily in your world of "the free'er the better" No fuck that shit. When you meet someone who has been a victim of rape, let me know how you feel about your overly anarchist views then.

 

dude when the fuck did his videos become "rape fantasies" ??

the ones ive seen the girls were more than willing to suck his dick. its not like they were just standing around then he pounced on them and held them down and thrusted away while they cried and begged him to stop.

If you can't accept other peoples opinions when theyre the opposite to your so-called "morally right" ones then maybe you should find another forum

 

oh, so they "suck his dick" now do they, because from my understanding, every oral sex video he has done has been a throat-fucking video causing the girl to vomit on his dick, and even though the video you might have seen didn't include crying and begging to stop, the majority of his videos are based around this idea. you would think such a supporter of his would be aware of this sort of thing.