Pornographer sentenced to nearly four years in prison

Exactly! I also don't understand why the rest can't grasp that, but apparently they are fighting for the "community standards" and "the exploited actors" or some crap. Sounds to me like the guy went to jail because he made niche porn with consenting adults to be viewed by adults and the puritans didn't like that.

 

sigh...

"community standards" is the language used in a supreme court ruling. It is merely the current state of the law and its interpretation.

The legal issue is that obscenity is very difficult to define. when it is banned, you are then stuck with the problem of defining obscenity.

People like wacky want to go further and even outlaw the actual consensual acts. First they come for your gay neighbor, and you say nothing. Then they come for the guy down the street who likes S&M, and you say nothing. Then they come for the guy who has max hardcore videos, and you say nothing. Then they come for you, because you like to read Hip Forums.

Unfortunately, no one is left to defend you.

 

Let's look at the your first comment I replied to:

- You stated most girls in porn were sexually abused as children.

Where is the data for this claim that proves you are not talking out of your ass? The evidence? The statistics? Do you have any?

- You stated, "Most of those girls you see in porn, let alone the ones performing with max hardcore ...."

So now it appears you have acquired information regarding the women specifically in Max Hardcore movies. Did you forget to post it?

- You immediately go on to say, "They don't get pleasure from it... "

Oh ya? And you are about to prove that?

- Then you state "... i haven't studied the psychology of them, but I've heard enough to know that they do it for other, more twisted reasons, not pleasure."

Here you admit to not even studying the psychology of women in the porn industry in the first place, after which you state that you've "heard enough" to know that they do it for more "twisted reasons, not pleasure". You can support that claim how?

- Next: "BTW, I don't think it's as simple as a woman saying no and going home, if it's one chick on a set with a bunch of fucked up horny guys, the pressure (and yeah, I don't care if you think pressure is a weak excuse) can force her to stay, they're almost too scared to say no."

All of this is mere speculation and your imagination, so in summary you have said absolutely nothing of substance about women, the porn industry and women in the porn industry, and I stand by the notion that you're an insecure, spoiled teenager (apparently posing as a 20-something, which, if true, is even worse) who's been locked up in the parents' palace all your life. You need to learn what facts and evidence are -- your imagination and "what you heard" does not count, by the way, nor do sweeping generalizations. Also, thanks for PM'ing me telling me you "fucked my mum", and that I'm the one who needs to get educated and informed (when I hadn't even made any claims other than you basically making generalized statements and being full of it).

Derrrrrrrrr

 

What the fuck?

Wheres Larry Flint?

Wheres the ACLU?

Was he distributing child pornography or something?

This is outrageous.

 

I understand the terms and the history, i just disagree with the importance of "upholding deceny standards" or fighting obscenity in a free democracy. Especially in the 21st century. this wasn't material shown during the 8 oclock block on NBC or CBS. This was niche material produced for a minority audience that was limited in its accessability. And even then all parties were consenting. It's a ruling i hope doesn't stand.

 

ditto that!

Hey stig, you realize you implied you have watched max hardcore videos?



...don't forget to wipe off your keyboard, you sick fuck.

 

i'm sure the ACLU will step up and take this one all the way to the supreme court if necessary. can't let something like this go or it's down the slippery slope we go.

the only legit psychological study i've ever seen that condemns porn showed that the only porn that created psychological problems in the viewer is violent porn. if this result is unequivocably replicated i wouldn't have a problem with censuring violent pornography, as the study indicated that viewers did have violent impulses after viewing. but the vast majority of porn is mostly just some friendly fucking between consensual adults, and a relatively small amount of kinky stuff. i mean, really...who cares? and even if you do, is it worth eroding free speech rights to try (fruitlessly i'm sure) to wipe it out...at taxpayers' expense, i might add. :tongue:

 

Even that hasn't been proven, and anecdotal and correlative evidence suggests the exact opposite when it comes to violent fantasy pornography.

Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html

Where "rape porn" exists there is evidence that the instances of actual rape decrease.
The speculated reason is that those with fantasies of sexual violence are given the opportunity to express those desires in a socially acceptable way. Sort of like the way as video game violence and television and movie violence has increased, actual violence among teenagers has decreased over the last 2 decades.


Of course, just like the "violence in media" debate, the evidence regarding sex crimes and any link to pornagraphy remains inconclusive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_effects_of_pornography

Which is why they could only throw the man in the article in prison for daring to harm their sensibilties.

 

Bingo.

Pull a bait and switch in sub prime lending, defraud the stock market by promoting the mortgage pool as an investment take down the banking and insurance industries and the world economy with your scheme and get $4 million in compensation and ZERO prison time.

Sell porn movies via mail order to an address in the election fraud capital of the United States and get put away for three years.

 

Madness...

 

It is.

Then again I'm of the opinion that the government itself is a criminal entity- therefore its laws are rendered null. Hell, our tax monies are being used in pursuing international crimes justified with deception so we're party to it as well... so let's just turn the entire United States into a penal colony.

 

Already is if they catch you stepping 'out of line'

 

I think he deserved jail. He took the risk of producing the material, so he lost in the gamble. No biggie.

 

All those who plan to do something about this and change the law in YOUR community say “Yes”. All those who plan to do absolutely nothing say “No”.

Let me guess, most here don't even vote, right? Has anyone here ever actually WORKED to change anything by actually voicing an opinion WITH an elected official at ANY level, face to face?

 

you've got a point there...

what I plan on doing, to help the cause, is to download more porn.

 

That's basically what I thought. The "vote with your wallet" method.

 

:iagree:

 

It's scary to see people take jail so lightly. It's no big deal until the government decides it's your turn. There is indeed a reason to protect the liberties of others, even when we find it distasteful.

I don't think even the other social conservatives would say 4 years in jail is "no biggie". Remarkably callous.

According to your logic, it is also ok for the state to regulate sodomy. Is that ok with you? I live across from two wonderful gay men who have been together for almost 30 years. If the government knocked the door down and arrested them for having sex, would that be ok too?

 

according to kinseyadult and child sex is okay as long as the child is not traumatised. the american psychiatric association used his input to remove pedophilia and pederasty off their list of disorders in 1994. kinsey also had flings with his students, so as far as i'm concerned his studies are nonsense.

 

Yes. I've met with dozens of politicians.