Pornographer sentenced to nearly four years in prison

So now i need to explain to you how a person could make a judgement call?

And how pretty much ANY two people will have a different definition for the word 'indecent?' (It's one of those words that RELIES on interpretation to have any sort of meaning.)

Sorry. Don't have time.

 

Again, Fyrenza, you prove my point on my behalf. The definition of indecent is arbitrary. Indecency is in the eye of the beholder.


Welcome back to the thread, toker.

The system for protecting your children from inappropriate material is called PARENTING. Expecting the state to do the job for you is inviting disaster.

Marquis de Sade? I'd let my kids read it as soon as they find it interesting. If i do a good job they will be prepared for it by that point instead of being kept inappropriately naïve.

Notice I never advocated giving hardcore porn to kids. It may be the first thing any porn obsessed person would think of, but I never advocated that. I said all material should be available to everyone. If I had a kid who became obsessed with porn, i would try to calm down, then ask myself if it is a symptom of a more serious problem. Porn can be an addiction. It's especially easy for the overly sheltered to fall prey to that.

 

My stance hasn't changed, nor will it, regarding this issue.

 

Really? Mine may change, if I acquire some new information that causes me to rethink my approach. Hasn't happened yet though.

Perhaps you are a little rigid in your thinking.

 

Then when it comes to the freedom of speech your views are clearly biased and warped, you do not believe in the first amendment and have distorted it to fit YOUR life.

That's fine.

But if people like you had there way in the U.S it would be a worse place to live.

Thankfully your childish views of censorship are easy to see through by anyone with a clue as to what freedom of speech means.

 

No perhaps about it, pal ~

as long as i draw breath, i will want to protect children from some of the horrors they may discover LATER along their pathes.

 

You should probably avoid children then...

 

And what about when those children grow older and become closed minded because they still have some fear about things such as sex or religion or violence?

Well they become you I suppose.

 

Okay, let's try this again:

A) i believe very strongly in the people's right to Freedom of Speech.

B) Children are not considered full-fledged citizens, with ALL of the rights citizens can expect.

C) i believe very strongly in the people's right to protect their children, by whatever means possible ~ in this case, with censorship of innappropriate reading material.

Okay, now you can start trying to twist that all around, but

well, whatever.

 

Since i really have no fears about sex or religion, i really have to wonder how much you are willing to allow yourself to believe about other people that you have NO BASIS for believing...

And my fear of violence? i lived through a shooting in the living room of the house i was living in, where one person was killed, but not outright - he ran through the house, spewing blood and guts before keeling over in the front yard and expiring - and another seriously wounded. What was i doing during the OK Corral re-enactment? Trying to get the child of two of the participants under cover until i could get her out of the house. That incident was the worst, but there were plenty of others, so

i have every right to WHATEVER fear of violence i harbor.

 

So did you steal a book from a public school library based on your beliefs that it was wrong for the teenagers there to read it?

Did you do this without asking anyone's opinions in the school?

Now that being said

Do you really believe in the freedom of speech.

 

That does not give you the right to commit theft. It does not give you the right to censor adults. It does not give you the right to force your views on others.

What gives you the right to force your views on others? Guns. Lots of guns. The might of the government. The state. Might makes right.

And you want to give others the right to force their views on you.

And you will regret your own views if that ever happens and you find yourself in the minority.

 

First of all, i stated that the library was accessible by all of the grades.

Second, what makes you think that i never told anyone about it? Because this is the first you're hearing of it?

Third, how active are YOU in your local schools? In other words, are you putting out anything besides idealistic rhetoric? Maybe working to change the school rules about books in their libraries?

Since you're so gung-ho for children to be able to read whatever strikes their fancy, i'll make you the same deal :

P.M. with the names, addresses and ages of 5 children who are near and dear to you;

include your real name;

sit back and wait for the many thanx you'll be recieving from those children AND their parents!

Gee, when i put it THAT way... Perhaps you'd like some time to fall back and regroup?

And, yes, i believe passionately in our Freedom of Speech ~ so passionately that if you were censored/banned/punished for saying what you feel and believe, i'd be standing shoulder to shoulder with you in your fight.

 

Guess you missed the part [and this is getting to be REAL old, btw ~ having to repeat half of what i type each time ~ are you speed-reading? 'Cuz, uh, it isn't working out too well for you... ] where, before the book was due, i paid for it? Sort of like going to a bookstore and STEALING their books, eh? Yeppers, i'm BIG into STEALING books that way! :rofl:

 

Don't conflate a constitutional right to speech with being banned for acting like a moron on forums. The right to speech is what gives this community the right to ban those who are not playing by the rules of the community.

Just like the library should ban YOU for stealing books. People like you don't deserve the right to be in a library because you don't respect the rules.

 

I'm not sending you the address's of any children because I feel your unbalanced to ask such a question.

Your a thief.

If a ten year old is ABLE to read and understand a Dean Koontz book on his own he has passed my test as to whether he is mature enough to enjoy it.

If his parents think differently that's for them to decide not me and not you.

Your a thief who steals from children.

 

I would sooner leave my children with Max Hardcore.

 

'Conflate'? Are you reduced to speaking gibberish, now?

So you're saying everyone EXCEPT ME should be allowed into the libraries?

You don't see any hypocrisy there?

And, pal? GET A GRIP! You're starting to lose control.

i dare say that the librairians from 5 different towns would hunt you down like a dirty dog if i was banned from them, being as how i support them, financially AND with volunteer work. You might have a hard time convincing them of how wonderful you are, and how despicible i am. You see, when you're actually INVOLVED with your community? You get a feel for the moral climate, for the things that, at the VERY BASIS of our existences, are felt to be right and wrong. What i did would be viewed with the same appreciation as if i had removed (STOLEN) a rattler from the playground ~ even though it had every 'right' to be there, along with the children. Go figure.

 

Your a thief who steals from children.

 

Who gives a care what his parents think? He has his RIGHTS!

i'll make sure that the writing is geared toward the grade-level, since that's the only criteria you choose to put on it. Man, are the elementary schoolers in for a treat ~ i imagine there are LOTS of porn books with PIX! :rofl:

Oh, and what a shock that you won't stand behind your beliefs.

p.s. Calling me a theif? That's slander, pal...