Politics of extermination.

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  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    "Why should it matter whether Donald Trump’s MAGA movement and the Republican Party he’s largely taken over represent a kind of fascism? The answer: because the logic of fascism leads so inexorably to the politics of extermination. Describing his MAGA movement as fascism makes it easier to recognize the existential threat it truly represents — not only to a democratic society but to specific groups of human beings within it."
    Our Very Own Home-Grown Fascists

    At CPAC this year, Michael Knowles called for the eradication of transgender people. “For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely”. Knowles previously suggested that you cannot have genocide against transgender people because they are “not a legitimate category of being.”
    Extremists at CPAC Laid Bare Hatred at Root of Vile Legislation Targeting Trans People
     
  2. KathyL

    KathyL Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Thank you for posting that!

    It makes me angry and fearful when so many people don't see that the Republican party and its ideologies are truly fascist. How would the average Republican who doesn't give a fig about transgender people react if he heard someone saying, "For the good of society, Republicanism must be eradicated from public life entirely. You cannot have genocide against Republicans because they are not a legitimate category of being." If someone called for the extermination of all Republicans, that person would be in jail before you could blink. Yet they think nothing of calling for extermination of people who are just minding their own business.

    And sadly, that cancer has already arrived in my once-fine country. I think we have more allies here than you do in the US, and certainly our Supreme Court is less susceptible to corruption. So maybe we can fight them off. Or not.

    But the last time fascism rose up, it took a world war to stop them. Who is going to rise up against it this time? China and Russia? Ye gods! They are even worse!
     
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    As the Supreme Court of the United States wrapped up another banner year of magnifying MAGA Republican roll-back rulings - With the privilege that Donald Trump was given as the elected president in the United States in 2016, three justices were named. It has changed the make-up of the Court for years to come. We can argue that something needs to be done - but whatever needs to be done will not undo what we are dealing with now. It may be the White Republican last gasp at control over the rest of us but feels very much like the lead to what my dear @Piobaire wrote above.
    One of the decisions reflected directly on 1st Amendment rights of a Christian woman from Colorado who wants the right to refuse to create graphics for LGBT folks. I am not sure why anyone would want to hire her anyway, but it is a strike against us, and only causes more long-term damage than the Law is about. Affirmative Action, Discriminatory practices, Abortion... what's next? Is nothing determined previously now not safe from overturning?
     
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  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I predict school prayer. We all know it's perfectly legal to pray in a public school, but proselytism (indoctrination) by a public school is illegal under current Supreme Court rulings. (Engel v. Vitale) The way the stacked court is ruling I can see how they will state that the Establishment Clause, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..., should be interpreted to mean that the absence of school led prayer and display of religious artifacts is in fact the establishment of the religion of atheism. Therefore the indoctrination of students into a religion is perfectly acceptable, as long as it's a Christian religion.

    Also anti segregation laws will be on the docket. The exclusion of certain individuals from places such as, schools, housing developments, etc. will be seen as an affront to "free speech" and "religious freedom". After all if my religion can be used as an excuse to not bake a cake for a gay person due to "First Amendment rights because her creative web design work could be considered “speech” and the state would compel her to make speech she disagrees with on religious grounds."
    Then why the same argument for housing, eating in a restaurant, attending school, etc.?
     
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  5. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    They already have; 2022; Kennedy v. Bremerton School District
     
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    We live just a little ways down the road from Bremerton and have followed the story on Seattle news. It’s really gross. The reality is the situation is that all kinds of pressure on all players to conform to the very public prayer circle….the school board did the right thing but the Supreme Court reversed the school and made the world safe for yet another religious extremist.
     
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  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I was aware of this case but hadn't read it myself to see the implications.
    As the coach prayed on school property at the end of an official school event and as he invited others to participate in his prayers and as he is a representative of the school in an official capacity, and as he prayed in the same spot at the same time for several years thus allowing him to have an organized prayer session.....the door has been opened for any teacher to have a "voluntary" prayer at the beginning or ending of any class or school day, in the front of his or her room, and to invite students to join them in prayer.

    This would be returning to the pre 1963 ruling which allowed a teacher led prayer at the beginning of school.
    I remember those days when the teacher would lead the class in a recitation of the lord's prayer every morning, and the Catholic kids would have to stop at the doxolgy, For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever.
    I don't know what the Jewish kids did as I don't remember any in my classes.

    Of course all of the above examples are clearly cases of peer pressure on young children, indoctrination.
    The Kennedy v. Bremerton School District is the crack in the wall that the conservative Christian Taliban will use to reintroduce some from of school sponsored prayer.....but of course they won't call it that.
     
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    Yet what if a coach had laid down a rug and bowed toward Mecca? Of if he had modeled some Hari Krishna chant or gave praise to Allah. Does this open a crack in the door to allow such forms of worship to be modeled to students?

    There is a rising of an organized political group called Moms of Liberty that got a start during the Pandemic, fighting COVID-19 restrictions. They have close ties with the Republican party and, not surprised, but also ties to the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters; and seem to ally with qAnon nonsense (sorry, my opinion) and Christian nationalism... they are working at the local level, at school board meetings, and town halls, and county legislatures to restrict access to books, curriculums and health care for those they consider a threat to their narrow way of living.
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And I forgot about the Christian postal worker who didn't want to work Sundays causing others to have to work in his place. Gotta give him the day off even though Sunday work is a requirement of the job.

    Or the decision to allow Christians to fly a flag with a cross on it at City Hall in Boston.
     
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  10. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    Klanned Karenhood.
     
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