Points of Clarification.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Eugene, May 15, 2004.

  1. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

    Sometimes on this board i come across some mistakes, and the thread is already like 90 pages long and I do not have the patience to wade through the rest to see if anyone else commented on them, So i'm starting my own thread where periodically I will try and clear up misconceptions.
    feel free to add your own if you see fit.

    1, saddam paid 25,000 dollars to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, Saudi Arabia, by contrast has telethons for them.
    2, Saddam is not Osama Bin Laden, the two men can easily be differentiated: Saddam was a secular asshole, Bin Laden was a fundamentalist Asshole.
    3, Saddam did not support Al-Qadia, infact UBL (as rummy refers to him) pretty much hated saddams guts, afterall the thing that touched off UBL in the first place was US military bases in the holy land, which were a direct result of the first gulf war.
    4, Under communism, civil liberties suffer, and under capitalism not so much (and don't try and bullshit about how we don't have civil liberties, I can write this without fear of government repriasal, atleast for now.
    5, George W. Bush, as far as I know, Is the only president who nearly chocked to death on a pretzel.
    6, After 9-11 W did not somehow become more intelligent, people in shock are just more easily lead.
    7, Terrorism just plain sucks, but destroying our way of life to stop them is pretty damned stupid.
    8, John Kerry is probably not the best man to be leading this country, but he atleast is not bush (I think that should be his slogan: John Kerry: He's Not Bush)
    9, defying the UN to enforce the UN is kinda stupid when you think about it.
    10, No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, yet.
    11, It is not sound policy to invade a country, then forget about it and invade another country.
    12, Republicans, one on one, are usually nice bright people, but should not be dealt with in large numbers.
    13, Political Discourse is the cornerstone of our democracy, that means respecting people's rights to disagree with us and they should respect our right to disagree with them, and by and large they do.
    14, I really doubt Jozak is a paid agitator for the US government, although his english is better than most american's.
    15, We can never win a war against abstract concepts (drugs, terrorism, poverty etc.) we really need in this country a new way of defining our opposition to something without declaring war.

    Right, thats it for now.
     
  2. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

    1. Ya damn right

    2. Actually, Saddam became a fundamentalist asshole during the Iraq-Iran War, when he realized that Islam could be used to further his agendas.

    3. True, but the enemy of my enemy is my ally, so Saddam and UBL have a common goal.

    4. I agree, yet people still insist that we are being "censored" and that our civil liberties are being raped by the fascist right. I tell them to spend a week in North Korea and then try to say that here.

    5. I think FDR almost choked to death on a chicken bone, not sure.

    6. Pretty much.

    7. Our way of life being destroyed? My way of life hasn't changed since 9/11, I'm still a lazy American with no work ethic and an unhealthy love of fast food.

    8. It's debatable, since John Kerry has shown that he won't take a firm stance on anything. Deciding between Bush and Kerry is like deciding between a kick in the nuts and a frying pan to the face IMO.

    9. Yes, but the UN is a worthless organization when it comes to international security. If someone wants to come along and enforce a few of the sanctons they don't have the balls to follow up on, more power to 'em.

    10. And they won't be found in Iraq. Ever. Either Sadaam destroyed them and didn't keep a record of it, or he sent them off to God knows where just before the inspectors showed up.

    11. In my opinion, every dictatorship/totalitarian state should be invaded and forcibly dismantled. But that's just me.

    12. The same could be said about democrats.

    13. Dosen't that contradict 12?

    14. I was still relatively new at the old hipforms, so I can't comment.

    15. Yeah, but the "War on Drugs" sound so much cooler than the "Effort to Stop Illegal Eubstances from Entering the U.S."

    As for my actual additons, I have only one request:

    Will you people please do research on what you say before posting whatever bullshit you read out of Spun Half-Truths Weekly?
     
  3. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

    16, Pre-emptive attacks did not work too well for the Japanese in WWII.
    17, You should not really try and deal with any group in large numbers, like the assholes for bush people at anti-war protests or well... I'm kinda coming up short on the democrat equivelent.
    18, IMHO, a possible frying pan in the face is always preferable to a definite kick in the nuts.
    19, This one is for Ralph Nader: Did you know that if you put a little hat on a snowball it'll last a long time in hell?*
    20, taking away the fourth amendment, the fifth amendment, parts of the first and probably second are all destryoing our lifestyle, and as such the patriot act should be either abolished or used for fighting just terrorism.
    21, In the bible, it is a sin for a MAN to be homosexual because it causes a "waste of seed" whenever he ejaculates and it does not have a possiblity for fertilizing an egg, this means that being gay is as much a sin as masturbating or wearing a condom.
    21 1/2, Women are obviously exempt from this because whenever they orgasm no "seed" is lost.
    22, Rush Limbaugh is basically Howard Stern but with different demographics.

    *I stole this line from Scott Adams.
     
  4. LuciferSam

    LuciferSam Member

    4. Capitalism itself is just an economic term and doesn't have much to do with civil liberties, there are plenty of dictatorships that are capitalistic. Communism is basically a authoritarian form of marxist socialism.

    9. MaxPower: Fine, but then there should be no double standards when enforcing resolutions and sanctions, and the problem is you can't claim you have the mandate of the UN. Most stronger countries fart off UN resolutions and no one enforces those.

    10. ...or they weren't there!

    15. I agree, the War on Drugs is the biggest farce in world policy, and the war-on-terrorism is simply being used to fill the bogeyman vacuum left by the Soviet Union.

    Nothing to add now
     
  5. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

    2. Actually, Saddam became a fundamentalist asshole during the Iraq-Iran War, when he realized that Islam could be used to further his agendas.

    Saddam's Iraq was considered progressive by most standards. He had almost equal rights for women, allowed alcohol, and there was even a synagouge in baghdad.



    5. I think FDR almost choked to death on a chicken bone, not sure.

    Well, that's different, there are alot of little chicken bones that are easily chocked upon while you swallow what you think is a big piece of chicken (I used to work at KFC so don't doubt me on this one) A pretzel, however, does not have little bones, and I am still wondering just how he managed to do this (he was prolly drunk IMO)

    11. In my opinion, every dictatorship/totalitarian state should be invaded and forcibly dismantled. But that's just me.


    well, I could agree with you this principle, but that has nothing to do with what I said, if you want to go crusading, fine by me if you do it morally, but forgeting countries like we did just lays the groundwork for another dictatorship or worse to arise.

    15. Yeah, but the "War on Drugs" sound so much cooler than the "Effort to Stop Illegal Eubstances from Entering the U.S."

    An effort to stop illegal substances from entering our country does not place it under the perview of the federal government, that's why war was declared in the first place. That and a war has a pretty much definite ending while a war on drugs will never end (or terrorism for that matter).

    Will you people please do research on what you say before posting whatever bullshit you read out of Spun Half-Truths Weekly?

    These are just tidbits and my own opinions i have picked up from a various amount of sources, most of them centrist (with the exception of NPR), and what exactly are the half truths and spins you refer to?

     
  6. Some points of clarification to the original points of clarification:

    1, saddam paid 25,000 dollars to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, Saudi Arabia, by contrast has telethons for them.

    Sadam ran everything in Iraq. On the other hand the Kingdom and the Mullah’s are separate enterprises that have a very scary balance of power. Members of the Kingdom supported terrorism along with most of the Mullah’s.

    3, Saddam did not support Al-Qadia, infact UBL (as rummy refers to him) pretty much hated saddams guts, afterall the thing that touched off UBL in the first place was US military bases in the holy land, which were a direct result of the first gulf war.

    The thing that touched off UBL in the first place was US military bases in the holy land. No, I think it was the UN placing Jews in the holly land and America supporting them. Followed by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia allowing US bases to be placed there. Followed by foreign forces fighting in Iraq.

    6, After 9-11 W did not somehow become more intelligent, people in shock are just more easily lead.

    This seems like a biased opinion, inferring W is stupid. In fact he has difficulties articulating himself sometimes but I’ve seen him on several occasions address the press without wires or script making meaningful clear statements. You imply that no action should have occurred had we not been in shock. Leaders are supposed to lead calmly in time of peace or war after serious considerations of all facts. This seemed to happen, please define radical actions he took which capitalized on shock.

    7, Terrorism just plain sucks, but destroying our way of life to stop them is pretty damned stupid.

    Our way of life has not been destroyed. Not at all! The actions taken were to protect our way of life.

    8, John Kerry is probably not the best man to be leading this country, but he atleast is not bush (I think that should be his slogan: John Kerry: He's Not Bush)

    This is an alarming statement! Indicating the party is incapable of defining itself. I can see how you came to such a conclusion, most Democrats claim AL and Joe are the rightful Prez and VP. Yet, they are in definitive when it comes to supporting them now as their stolen term still plays out. The Al and Joe team can’t even come to agreement on the ongoing race. There is no shock to blame on this illogical decision process. Further, blaming Bush for all bad is a cop out. He gave the congress the opportunity to say no to both wars! The congress represents the entire nations voters so I would conclude you should be saying, at least he’s not Bush or one of those who supported Bush. But that would be incorrect, because he did.

    9, defying the UN to enforce the UN is kinda stupid when you think about it.

    UN resolution 1441 clearly stated a fact. The UN was not defied. The UN was just wrong to say one thing and then recant into debate. It stood for nothing if it didn’t stand for its resolution.

    10, No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, yet.

    “Yet” is the key word here.

    11, It is not sound policy to invade a country, then forget about it and invade another country.

    This has not happened. Troops continue to work there; in fact it has been internationalized, as Kerry would like Iraq to be.

    12, Republicans, one on one, are usually nice bright people, but should not be dealt with in large numbers.

    This should read: Republicans and Democrats, one on one, are usually nice bright people, but should not be dealt with in large numbers.

    15, We can never win a war against abstract concepts (drugs, terrorism, poverty etc.) we really need in this country a new way of defining our opposition to something without declaring war.

    How about this: Don’t declare war, just declare terrorist will be considered as a rabid animal and killed on the spot wherever they are found and if the country possessing them doesn’t do it we will.

    Changeyourlatitude
     
  7. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

    That wasn't aimed at you, as most of your 15 points were pretty well thought out.
     
  8. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

    23. If my points seem to skew towards preaching towards the left it is because most of the people here are leftists.
    24. back in the begining of his presidency Clinton inherited a very badly bruised economy, then institued a 1% tax on the upper 1% and spent that on social programs, 8 years of relative peace and prosperity followed.
    25. The tech-burst cannot really be blamed on anyone except for idiot investors, but that is not the only thing wrong with the economy.
    26. The anti-land mine treaty was a very good, moral thing that we should have signed (how many landmines are used in Iraq, how many do we have to clear up in afghanistan).
    27. We will not reduce our dependence on oil, foreign or domestic, by opening up new oil wells, the only way to reduce our dependence is diversification of our energy production and drastic cut backs.
    28. The McDonald golden arches are supposed to represent breasts, thus providing a sense of safty and security while making people hungry (not fucking kidding on this one)
    29. The government isn't there to control us, it's there to distract us from those who do.*

    *HHGTTG first promoted this theory. :)
     

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