pledge of allegiance

OMG!! my homeroom teacher is trying to make me stand for the pledge. she said it is disrespectful to her if stay seated. i actually read a website page that said specifically that the supreme court ruled that sitting during the pledge is freedom of speech and i can do it to protest. it said that i can SIT. well, i wasn't taking that shit so i took it up w/ the principal. i printed the page and highlighted the source. conversation as follows

me: i am having a problem with my homeroom teacher. she wants me to stand for the pledge and i refuse to do it.

him: well you have to

me: i have this paper from a student rights source that says differently.

i handed it to him, he read it and...

him: why can't you just stand and not say the pledge

me: bc that shows that i am standing for something i don't believe in. standing is still supporting. and i do not, and i will not

him: well, i'm gonna look into it, but plz just for today, for the sake of peace, stand.

me: okay, but only until you contact the schoolboard so they can tell you that i can sue you if you try to make me stand.

i left his office and skipped class until homeroom was over. seriously, can he make me stand? that's bullshit. is there any info anyone can give me? something i can tell him next time?

 

i have some questions....is the pledge of allegiance like the national anthem?....i really dont understand it cuz we dont have one of those in Canada...an why dont you want to stand? is there a reason you choose not to show support?

 

i don't see the point in not standing for the pledge! i mean without this country, you wouldn't be able to sit down during it because this country is what gives you the right to free speech...why don't you move to china and try that shit because you will get put in your place...it is disrespctful to say "i'm not gonna stand and honor this country because i have free speech rights" because this country gave you those rights! stupid kids always trying to rebel against shit that doesn't even need to rebelled against.

 

standing shows respect for others. I stand during the national anthems of other countries and i do not support what they say at all.

You should stand out of respect. You dont have to, though. We cant force you to be decent and respectful

 

ur are making to big of deal out of something that is no big deal.. i dont say the pledge either, but i dont make a scene out of it like u r... i just stand silently
no need to be a dick about america either, america is one of the greatest countries to live in..

 

Well isn't that special. You dont "believe" in America. What country do you "believe" in? Why don't you try going to some of those other "great" countries and see how much freedom you have. You'd be crying like a baby, wanting your mommie. America ain't perfect, but its alot better than most!

 

i never realized how subversive the pledge was until i got older. dont stand, make the biggest scene possible within your rights while you still have them.

 

sitting is cool, but giving a "Heil" salute is much cooler

 

welll said Slutter

 

They can't make you stand during the Pledge. I went to school with some kids that were Jehovah's Witness's and they don't stand due to religeous belief.


When I stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance and loyalty to what our country used to stand for, not what our country is today.

I'm proud to be American but I'm ashamed of the government

 

the pledge of allegiance isnt about pledging allegiance to the government. It is about pledging allegiance to liberty, justice, equality, etc. The "republic" is of course a government of the people, by the people and for the people, NOT george bush or anyone else. Why anyone would oppose such things is beyond me.

 

Just wondering....why do we make kids say the Pledge of Allegiance in school anyhow?

 

I agree with most of the ideas above - but you have the right not to stand - the courts have been clear on that. You are the only one who can judge your actions. If this is an important issue for you then you should exercise your right and make a strong stand. You seem to have good research skills and I hope you look into political rights in general. Find out how we got them - what the threats to them are - and what can be done to keep and increase them.

 

was that supposed to contradict me?

 

I saw a clip on CNN either monday or tuesday that several schools went to court in California, stating that saying the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional (specifally the part about one nation under God). The judge ruled that it was unconstitutional, and they no longer have to recite it. Of course it is being challenged by religius groups and is expected to be heard by a higher court. I'm going to look for the full story and will post a link if I can find it.

 

No one has had to say the pledge for awhile now.

Are you talking about michael newdow, or was there a fresh challenge?

edit: found it.. http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/14/pledge.ruling.ap/index.html

it was brought by Newdow again. Interesting, it looks like the supreme court will have to step in and decide and not skirt the issue this time.

 

No, that's the case. I just went and found it and read it. I guess next time i'll look for the link before posting, seeing a 30 sec clip on tv a couple days ago leads to not posting the correct facts lol.