Please stop abusing

hey, I have that same outfit...

 

its a chick magnet!

 

I just added some more feathers to one mask i made, mine little less fur coat but I do have a fuax fur coat I could convert to that in minutes.. I alwasy tell my gf i should wear it in the woods and we could fake bigfoot pictures..

 

in 2010, when a child is put into a world based around polotics, media, money, and government, psychedelics are highly needed to rid yourself of all the influances in your life. in america, what does spiritualy have to do with anything? nothing, not a meer thing. you are pushed into one direction, you are told of a certian way of life. money, consumerism. you are placed in a school where teachers will cram ur head full of information, and once ur out of that, u get ur job, make ur money, have ur family, get ur car and ur house and live ur life. america isent spiritual.

your like a pile of wood, and america is just a little kid with a supersoaker trying to put out ur flame laughing at you, and psychedelics are fule, making ur flame bigger and bigger.

 

Wow Spicey Cat, thanks for typing that up for me
Seriously you said pretty much what were my thoughts.

I abused LSD when younger because it was always available for about 2-3 year period. After that it tapered down to about twice a year, then eventually after marriage, kids and all that, it became twice in a decade. Last year I was starting to get "the call" pulling me strong.
Having no ready source for anything I tried San Pedro cactus juice. That was one of if not the most phenomenal psychedelic experiences I have ever had, very educational and I am still processing that experience.

Then I had access to mushrooms and started taking them a bit too much, got my ass handed to me a few times also. Mushrooms, The Great Accuser, Prosecuter and Judge all rolled into one.

Recently I have been fortunate to get access to LSD again after over a decade dry spell.
It just isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. I get so much more education from it now and am much better able to face down and confront "The Mirror" than I was when younger. I think I am going to go for a high dose experience soon and then most likely lay them down and go back to maybe twice a year use when available.

Trust me floes, those that abuse psychedelics will either get positively sick of the feeling as I did, or get the living shit scared out of them like Spicey Cat. Either way psychedelic long term "abuse" is a self limiting thing.

 

Did the same person really write, "This is what everyone needs, someone elses personal opinion on how to live life." And, "Yeah, nah, trust me. If you're spiritual journey is accomplished by tripping or it started by using drugs then you're not and haven't been having a spiritual journey."

The LSD experiences of 1968-71 were far more insightful, spiritual, and life-changing for me than anything in the past few years (What should I do, prOne?). I based the rest of my life on those experiences. I wouldn't say that I abused psychedelics, but I did push it as far as I could. To the edge and on over. It seems like some of the people on this forum take it about as far as possible, but I wouldn't say that most of them are abusing - though they are amazing.

How can these medicines be used? They can show that we are beautiful, that we are One, that our lives can have meaning. It's not that we go around in the psychedelic state of 400mcgs, but that that state informs the other times of our lives. I just wrote about some of that in a post to a righteous dude.

Being grateful.

 

Personally, I don't think that shrooms are at all required to find spirituality, just that they help, and are a much better source than say... organized religion.

My favorite source for spirituality: philosophy. But I don't even read it all that much; haven't ever really picked up the habit well; thinking philosophically about life can really do you some wonders.

 

i dont abuse psychs anymore in the tripping every day sense , but i dont think people that choose to trip very often or even daily are doing anything wrong...

 

if you like them you like them right? if you abuse them and have a bad time...then you probably wouldnt do them. right ?

 

what im asking of you is how YOU use them as tools to help your life and your spirituality. im asking how YOU use these chemicals, as a personal sacrament to assist you in creating yourself. I have posted how I have, and im trying to find more views, on more ways, to use these beautiful precious chemicals as a way to assist you in growing.


This is what im asking, not asking what you think on people abusing, or if people should, or if its right or wrong, because each is to their own. everyone is free to make the choices.

Im asking you how you use them to help you.

 

I use them as teaching tools because they provide a different way of processing information by my nervous system.
They allow us to perceive things in ourselves and our environment that is normally filtered out. Really if you look at the bio-chemical mechanism by which psychedelics work and extrapolate that mechanism to every aspect of our consciousness, it is easy to see how a "spiritual" tone can be derived from these experiences.
That is what I tried to convey in this thread;
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=404634&f=117

You really don't need a bunch of mysticism to account for the subjective effects and actually attributing aspects of the psychedelic experience to things or entities outside of yourself gets in the way of learning all one can from these experiences. I view it as deferring responsibility by attributing stuff to outside sources.
I approach psychedelics with respect, not reverence. They are still just chemicals that interact with our nervous systems, they are not "God in a pill or plant".

 

And personally, this man is a guru

I'm all for keeping things poetic; but one should know how to be real.

 

ur right duck, no psychedelics are truly needed to find spirtuality. it only assist. it takes u out of ur normal state of mind and allows you to view the world from an alternative perception, possibly a bit higher of a state a mind, past the doors of perception if u will.

look at a full moon on a clear sky, that will show u ur spirit.

 

Cannot help but pipe up again, he he (no pipe in hand currently). In summary, abusing psychedelics, then 20 years off using big-pharma poisons, then coming back to entheogens at age 39. Before it was all abuse, partying and "getting high." Now it is so very much more, including but not at all limited in any way to:

1.) Physically therapeutic (nothing can heal my bone spurs and osteo-arthritis) and helpful in maintaining good mood (without SSRI's) and keeping weight above the technical "underweight" area of the BMI. (Cannabis)

2.) Opening me up to understanding that my "midlife burnout" crisis was in fact a spiritual crisis/awakening. (Salvia D. & DMT)

3.) Using these substances as sacraments - alone (or just with husband), ritualistically, hoping for learning, memory and spiritual information/truth. Understanding that "enlightenment" is not achievable for me while physically embodied but that self-improvement is. Using these molecules in the same manner and for the same reason why some people go to "church" several times a week. i just go to "DMT church." (LSD & DMT)

4.) Metaphorical/insight trips yields personal gains if i can face them. i get a lot of this type of material these days and it's incredibly helpful. i have often said that 5 minutes tripping on DMT can be similar to 18 months of 4x/week depth psychotherapy, if i am willing to face my demons and fears as well as QUIT LYING TO MYSELF (& of course to others). (Mushrooms, DMT, 5-meo-MIPT, 4aco-DMT, tryptamines, tryptamines, tryptamines)

5.) These substances help me forget that i write much, much better than i talk and that i have some serious deficits in social skills. i can forget "myself" and thus enjoy "myself" more, especially when at festivals with like-minded people. (MDMA)

6.) Related to 4.) and 5.) above, these substances literally lift/take me up out of myself and allow me a different view on my self - usually one that is insightful, with the insights being of the ilk: "i bitch about not wanting to play games, but i set up the game and defined the rules!!! What's my fucking damage?!?" Harsh, but helpful and it tends to promote personal growth, though the pace is excruciating (so tempted to stop and quit putting my loved ones thru this). (LSD, DMT, all tryptamines)

That's all for now.

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat
Brrrrrrrp! & Head Bumps to All Psychonauts!

 

LOL
I wouldn't go that far, but thanks for the compliment.
I just have a lot of years dealing with these substances and topics under my belt. When I was young, teens-early 20's, I was one of the most mystical, magical thinking fools around. But I am also a hard core pragmatist and always ask myself "Why?" about everything.

That is actually are very good tool for self discovery, asking "Why".

If you ask yourself why about some behavior or attitude you have and don't allow yourself to blame another for it, it can be very revealing. For every answer or reason you produce ask yourself why again. It always narrows down to a rather humbling realization of personal responsibility, at least for me it does.

Also knowing that I am most likely wrong or at least not completely right about most everything helps a lot. The older I get the less I know.

 

Wow! Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but i feel you there bro! i was just saying the exact same thing to my husband yesterday, "The older i get the less i know and am certain about." i also said that i felt enlightenment wasn't possible for me but that i thought an enlightened person would be a kind of left-wing leaning libertarian, the ultimate one.

The kind of person who when he sees the old dude who needs a shave and a shower, shuffling up to him in dirty clothes that have some holes makes no pre-judgement of any type. No "Homeless dude is going to spare change my ass!" No "That's the weird, tenured professor from the University - must be working on his old Model A Ford today!" Nothing. No prejudice, no pre-judgement. And an understanding of how toxic our culture (all cultures) is in it's ability to frame or poison our perceptions and thoughts and refusing to give in or play by those twisted rules.

No pre-judgement and always questioning perceptions, gathering more information, asking why and knowing all the way down to the soul that as one gains more knowledge about the Universe one starts to realize just how all-encompassing and unknowable it all is . . . . But maintaining an unshakeable knowledge (this does NOT feel like faith) about our true and infinite natures. . .

Wow, the rants are out of control today . . .

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat
Purrrr!

 

I've been able to keep my ground from the beginning with psychedelics, because of my early rebellion from Christianity and my current distaste with the state of the America. When you hate the idea of getting lost in a belief, and have examples of media-sheep all around you, it reminds you to check yourself.

I'd still consider myself a beginner when it comes to psychedelics, and I don't always know where they'll take me, but I'll keep what you said in mind, as something to try =)

 

Always asking why is something i always found cool about socrates. They say he was the smartest man alive because he was constantly questioning everything around him. which ultimatly led to his death. But in reality we all really dont know what is going on...and we never will understand. Thats the beauty of it all. The wonder.

 

See on the flip side though some people see them as just drugs that alter your body's chemical balance and hence your perception of various things.

 

I dont think its needed to account or attribute - but it was effective for centuries in stemming mass abuse. The general population isnt trained to deal with the ins and outs of the psychedelic experience and its every detail, nor should they be required to be to partake or use it in their own spiritual progression.

An intermediary who has that knowledge is not only easier, but way safer than letting folks make uninformed decisions on dangerous substances with questionable information they may have been fed.

In order to be a true guru, one might find a way to encompass the complete experience including the mystic and not just the scientific aspects.... neither has more value than the other