please spread this link...

Whatever it was, it sure didn't disturb that no parking sign.

 

Could it be that andrew finally notices the glaring physical impossibilities of it being a 757?

Notice also, andrew, that the coveniently placed piece of body molding on the lawn in your picture curiously bears not a trace of the sort of incineration you suggested in your earlier post. Also curious is it's location, given the suggestion of a vacuum effect pulling what would have remained of the so called airliner into the building itself (notwithstanding that the AA logo on 757's are printed on the front of the plane and thus would certainly not be found conveniently located, unburnt (and unmelted), back in the direction of the highway.

 

Atom ant. He does stuff like that cause they cancelled his airtime, damn them.

Exackerly. There isnt tons of evidence to dismiss the atom ant theory either, I'm not saying the atom ant theory is feasible but many say the missile theory isnt feasible either.. any theory which roughly fits the facts is just as valid as the next, both the plane and the missile theories have problems. Should atom ant exist (how will we know? He's so small!), there is less standing in the way of that theory than the others, and so yeah, I'm not convinced either way. I'm rather apathetic with this issue. The attacks should have been stopped by the government regardless of who the perpetrator is.

 

you just completely avoided my question.. i asked why the would fire a missile at the pentagon instead of using a plane like for the wtc..

 

Not one person has stated yet, what has happed to the victims aboard the AA 757. And if the plane didn't hit the pentagon, then I guess the families would drop the lawsuit against the airlines.

 

Just as similarly as not a single one of you head in the sanders has honestly admitted the necessity, in light of countless clear inconsistencies with a patently false coverstory, for a full scale, publically coordinated and monitored investigation into all data long held under a shroud of criminal secrecy by this cabal and its various likeminded agency appointees.

It is for just such an investigation to lay bare all the undisclosed or ignored affidavits, long ignored financial transactions (chief amongst them the short selling of AA and UA stock just prior to 911), documented government/military exercises in NYC itself that day, as well as the activities, interests and links to known terrorists and terrorist financiers of the PNAC ringleaders.

Your dismissal of any forthright consideration of what you recently appear to be slowly comprehending as a whitewash, by asking of us questions more appropriately aimed at the actual perpetrators themselves, is merely further evidence of the public mindset which remains too smug and apathetic to fully acknowledge that the nation itself has been hijacked.

 

To be honest, i got too bored reading that post for it to be any good. Most people use sentences in paragraphs..

 

Lame excuse, but par for your typical comments.

 

My typical comments? a.k.a. not blindly following your agenda? Im not even in support of america but you lot still love to try to attack anyone who doesnt believe every little anti-government thing you post. The last thing i posted was a simple question, which was dodged and now completely ignored.

lets see..

I think this is a fine typical comment for your type. If we doubt your conspiracy theories or provide "evidence" (saying this as all of it isnt exactly 100% solid, but a lot of your sides definately isnt either) were just brainwashed slaves believing what the media tells us. Yet anyone who believes your side of the story might as well be among the most enlightened and intelligent posters. Get off your righteous pedestal, because to me, youre far more brainwashed than the likes of airforcedrew. Because chances are you'll support anything thats has the slightest shred of what could be seen as "evidence" that incriminates Bush or is anti the american government.

 

To call every critique of clear and documented unaccountability, lies, disregard for international law, treaties and conventions and the character assassination of anyone who comes forward to present a factual expose of criminal corruption "conspiracy theories" only further demonstrates the willful blindness you subscribe to.

In typical right wing fashion, you attack the messenger rather than face the factual record itself and acknowledge the truth. Instead we merely hear repeatedly the pathetic wail of "you think youre so superior". Please grow up. Recognising the lies of the mainstream media is simply a matter of taking the time to learn the distinction between the terms oft regurgitated by the media and the actual meanings they hold in the context of political doublespeak.

Flaming others for supposed "superiority" complexes is merely another lame self justification for one's failure to investigate any further into matters than the surface BS presented through the corporate press and media.

We shall see who will be saying "I told you so" in the years to come.

 

Damn, that was one giant run-on sentence.

 

Ah how telling when the only retort is to play grammar natzi with posts. That's about as valid a methodology of public debate as is the routine character slander eminating from the Rove propaganda machine and its collusionist mainstream media.

Further proof that head in sanders will seek any means of avoiding the hard truth of where our criminal leadership is taking the nation.

 

<-- look to the left. Im not in america, i dont get their mainstream corporate media, as you put it. Im not brainwashed by anything. I browse over various sources, most of them coming from people like pressed rat, and observing what they have to say. I just dont buy into every goddamn anti-america idea that pops up. They are conspiracy theories, because no matter how tight you think they are, none have been proven. Hell I've seen multiple ideas on what actually happened on 9/11 that are all suposedly based 100% on facts, yet perfectly contradict each other. No matter what is said you never consider anything thats on the other side of the fence, just dismiss it as part of our head in the sand. (i mean really, do you have a quota on how many times you have to say that a week or something..) I've held a somewhat agnostic-type view from the start on this. There is no way i can tell exactly what happened. I have one side of the arguement given to me, and i have the other side given to me. I can just take mental notes of good valid things or ask questions on things that dont seem right to me. Youve taken the extremist way of things where what you believe is right and anyone who doesnt conform to your belief is wrong and brainwashed. Same goes for both sides.

 

LickHERish,

You really must be a bit blind if you're telling ATROPINE he gets brianwashed by the media. Firstly, he doesn't watch any american-based news because it isn't available to us, most of ours is britain based or straight out 100% NZ. If you think that's still being brainwashed then maybe consider he gets most information from forums and checks out links and proof from there, he looks at what people like you say and considers it. Secondly, he finds conspiracies in everything, from strippers to moon landings, he isn't paranoid but very open to the suggestion that it's all a master plan, and that he hasn't been amazed by the 'proof' in this thread or the tsunami thread is a reflection of the quality of the proof, not his 'blindness'.

Further, I'm agreeing with atropine. You seem convinced EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, I'd far rather be 'brainwashed' by questioning everything (rather than instantly agreeing with anything against the government) than a paranoid maniac bent on uncovering a master plan... If you're going to use big long words and word everything oddly please use a grammatic, it's getting longer, and harder to read, I'm not saying this to be rude but because it really is harder to read and harder to make sense of. It's great to know people out there are questioning things, and asking for deeper investigation, but there is a line which can be crossed..

 

conspiracist!! conspiracists!! please! if we are to topple the perpetraitors of the many conpiracies we hold (and let us not forget though our conspiracies may differ the perpetraitor is the one and the same) then we must band together and not let these petty differences seperate us from our unified cause.

 

well, ya know.. ive read all this and ive read a lot and im sold or almost sold on the whole theory BUT i gotta speak for airforcedrew AND me once...

what DID happen to those people on the planes? they really did disapear... so what happened to those planes and those people?

i would really like to know.

 

Nobody knows. You can only speculate since there is no evidence that points to what might have happened to the plane and its passengers. All that can be said is that whatever hit the Pentagon was definitely not a Boeing 757. Photographic evidence alone proves this.

Keep in mind that Flight 77 turned off its transponder many minutes before it allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. The real Flight 77 could have landed before that time. There is no radar evidence even indicating that the Flight 77 disappeared from the radar being the same "Flight 77" that crashed into the Pentagon.

What could have happened to the real Flight 77 is anybody's guess. It could be at the bottom of the ocean for all I know.

What likely happened is that Flight 77 landed, possibly at a remote location or an airforce base. They (being the perpetrators) could have easily filled the plane with nerve gas, killing everyone on board before destroying the plane.

The bizarre thing is that on the morning of 9/11, there was a report of a Flight 93 landing at a remote section of Cleveland Hopkins Airport with the report of a bomb on board.

Of course we were told that Flight 93 crashed into a field in Shanksville, PA.

So what really happened? Did Flight 93 really crash in PA, as we were told?

The whole "official" story of 9/11 is filled with holes.

 

Im starting to think the real "head in the sanders," are the people who come up with the conspiracies about this very case. All the evidence in the world can be presented, but it is never good enough. If you want to know what happend to those people on the 757, call their families. There is a site dedicated to the 911 victims. The government may have been wrong on the hijackers, but there were acctual people who checked onto that flight expecting a safe trip. You see what you want to see. There is no proof in any of these cases, that is why it is called a theory.

 

Nice try andrew. However, "head in the sanders" are those who, like yourself, accept the media fed groupthink explanations without question nor call for the rightful and necessary FULL investigation this event has never yet received.

Your adherence to the smug and apathetic status quo engendered by sanitised mainstream news is patently obvious on these boards.

 

Should I ask one of the 400 9/11 families who are suing Bush for complicity in the attacks?

Should I ask 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani, who wrote the preface to Jim Marrs' Inside Job?

Preface by Ellen Mariani

This preface is an open letter to the American people, and it comes straight from my heart. I ask that you read this book and discover for yourself why the attacks of September 11, 2001, were, in fact, an inside job. Jim Marrs makes that case in his book; I intend to prove it in a court of law.

My husband, Neil Mariani, was killed in the attacks. He was a passenger on United Airlines Flight 175, the second of two planes to crash into the World Trade Center. On the awful day, my husband and I were on our way to our daughter's wedding in California from Boston's Logan airport, but we were booked on separate flights. We took separate flights because we were not sure at first that he could afford to fly to his stepdaughter's wedding. So sometime after I had booked my trip, we held a garage sale, and raised just enough money to purchase a flight for him two hours later than mine. I will never forget the very last moment I saw him at the airport as I departed to my gate.

Today I am a bereaved widow, but I am a determined one. I am one of about 75 families that did not file for a settlement from the so-called September 11th Victim Compensation Fund, which consisted of taxpayers' money paid out directly from the US Treasury for the first time in history. Rather than accept about $500,000 to be paid to my husband's estate in compensation for my husband's life, I decided to retain my right to speak out.

But I don't want this money; I just want answers.

By taking money from that fund, which I call the "shut-up and go-away fund," I would have given up my right to sue United Airlines and the federal government. Once I finally overcame my grief for Neil, which took many hard months, I came to believe that the only way I can get information about what happened to him is through the courts. I became the first family member of a victim of 9/11 to file a lawsuit against the government.

My suit is based on the RICO Act, and it is aimed at proving that the September 11 terrorist attacks were no surprise to the government. I believe that many of the highest officials in the federal government were aware the attacks would take place--in fact I am 100 percent sure that they knew.

It was difficult to get a lawyer to take my case. Absolutely no one dared take my case against the government. But then I found a courageous man named Phil Berg, a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania.

Our lawsuit is directed against President Bush and a number of other administration members. As Phil Berg has written in the Complaint, the suit "is based upon prior knowledge of 9/11; knowingly failing to act, prevent or warn of 9/11; and the ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 9/11; all in violation of the laws of the United States." In addition to President George Bush, we named Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice as defendants, among others. The suit also names the Department of Defense, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Council on Foreign Relations, among other agencies.

Phil Berg and I have agreed to allow Origin Press, the publisher of Inside Job, to print highlights of our Complaint in the appendices to this book. Please read this material, including Ellen Mariani's Open Letter to Mr. Bush--and please support us.

I also ask you to read very closely the 23 Questions of the Family Steering Committee that are also reprinted in the appendices. These 23 queries are among the key questions I seek to have answered in a court of law--and that Jim Marrs so effectively puts forth in this courageous book.

Our lawsuit cannot bring back my husband or the other victims of 9/11. But I believe it can and it will bring forward the truth and justice that is so badly needed at this time, in this country. When you read this book by Jim Marrs, you will surely see why.

Ellen Mariani (widow of Louis Neil Mariani)
Derry, New Hampshire
May 10, 2004