Piracy..

" I can't afford to drive a Lexus but I feel like I deserve to so I'll just steal one is basically the argument the music theives make."

not at all... that lexux has a direct cost in terms of raw materials and labor to build it. When you steal it from someone, they have to replace or do with out it.

When someone downloads music, it isn't being taken from anyone, it is being copied.

 

trust me.. that would stop nothing.. i had a copy of the Chinese Democracy album years before its release.. piracy knows no bounds.. released.. unreleased.. if its recorded it can be leaked

 

the problem never has been the artist and his hard work.. its always revolved around the industry.. the industry are thieves.. you really think said artist is seeing all this money? no.. they are seeing like 10% of it.. the rest is going into the pockets of some asshole who's exploiting an artists art..

and your Lexus argument is a horrible example... the only way this argument holds any weight is if someone is literally stealing the CD from someone who bought it... piracy technically is not stealing.. its distributing illegal copies of media

 

who would wanna buy music from a chain store.. last time i went into a Sam Goodies or FYE... CD's were $18.. seriously??? it's not like a CD is expensive to make... i'm pretty sure over all a blank CD costs less to produce than a cassette.. and you fidn justification in paying $18 for a CD.. back when i use to listen to a lot of rap.. the average album wasn't even an hour long.. actually the average CD in general didnt even run 60min... Hypnotize/Mezmerize.. split double disk.. cost $14 for each CD.. both of these albums fit on one 80min CD.. with room to spare.. trust me.. like i said in another post.. the industry is robbing the people more than pirates are robbing the industry... there is no proof that any piracy is ruining the market.. since sales just seem to climb and climb every year

 

Lamb of God: Wrath

Was also a big leak.


I think piracy is bad, but I'm guilty.

 

I know I proboly won't convince anyone to stop stealing but mabey I can get people to at least be honest about it. Music sales have been on a steady decline for years because people have figured out easy ways to steal it, and do. This is starting to affect other media too as movies and television become easier and less time consuming to steal. When you buy music you are paying for the work that went to making it, not the format that it happens to be on. Musicans and songwriters deserve to be paid for the work they do. Soundmen and producers deserve to be paid for their work. Instrament techs and even buisness managers deserve to be paid for their work. They all get paid through the purchase of the product they produce. If you think their product is overpriced or no good don't buy it, but you clearly think it is worth something or you wound't go to the trouble to steal it. The idea of record companies takeing 90% of profits is an absurdly out of date streotype, shit hasn't worked that way for decades. Theft is making it harder and harder for creative people to make a living from their work. How will artists support themselves if nobody pays them for their work? Should only part-time hobbyists and the independantly wealthy be able to make music? Why is it OK to steal the time and effort of the many people involved in producing a song, but not a cheap piece of plastic?

 

What about the new bands that are coming up (as long as some established one) as we speak who are releasing their music online?

What happened to musicians just wanting to play their music? They used to literally starve for most of their careers and if they were lucky, they caught a break. There are numerous bands that never went anywhere because they weren't acceptable to the record companies at the time. All the people who worked with them, sound men and so on, got nada, nothing, zip for their work.

That started to change with the net. Now, anyone can cut a song, or an album, publish it and become famous. Any argument that follows, the sales have been dropping just isn't paying attention... Just because sales do not rise to meet expectations, does not equal a drop. If the argument is based on sales dropping in the last 6 months to a year, then it has nothing to do with piracy, its the economy.

And once again... there is no theft involved... nobody loses anything from it, except imagined future sales. Nothing need to be replaced. Nothing needs to be remade.


edited to change "were" to "weren't" and "chance" to "change"

 

I don't see the problem with it.Artist makes way more money off of other things such as shows and merchandise and what not.I used to download all the time before the system I was using closed so I haven't in 2 months or so I can't really afford to buy cd's all the time unless it's at a show or something and it's only $10.

 

People act like without the RIAA there wont be music ever again. There was music before big business and there will be after. I think piracy lights a fire under the ass of the complacent and filthy rich "big guys" in the scene to actually start making music that isn't shit and stop hiding behind a record label. Music is supposed to be personal. IMO music today is so terrible that they owe us something, I personally will never again give my money to "big music" ever again unless out of the blue they start having spectacular music, not just one song thats decent and the rest is filler if you ask me in that sense they are stealing from us. Same goes for the movie biz, so many movies are just shit but they charge 15 dollars to sit in a seat for 1.5 hours and rent there time. Fuck that. All of a sudden we are internet pirates because Lars of Metallica said we are? hes the biggest douche of them all, if anyone did not need more money, it was metallica. After all that napster BS I downloaded every metallica album made and gave them to all my friends.

 

oh yes.. the music industry is in decline.. that's why in 2008 iTunes announced that they hit the 5 billion download mark... and boast that on average 50,000 movies are downloaded daily....

until you show me solid proof(you know.. solid statistics) that illegal downloading is hurting anything.. none of your arguments are gonna hold any weight

 

I was reading this in the paper today and thought of this thread:

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/04/19/entertainment/a3-warecords.txt

 

I totally agree with the OP on this subject matter.

 

Most big bands make more money on a single show than all the albums sold together this coming from Billy Joel.

I do agree to buy younger great stuff to support the band and or group to see in a show some day which brings them the real money.

 

though i pirate, i buy local

 

wow. European HF members. please check if you believe in file sharing.

 

I know it's stealing and I believe stealing is wrong. It's so hard to think of it as stealing though and I can't say that I have an ounce of remorse for all the movies I've torrented.

 

i support it. i usually buy what i like. but if it wasnt for pirating, my music knowledge would be nothing in comparison.

torrents saved my life

 

See this is the problem, you still buy what you like too, most people refuse to buy anything anymore. And it's really leading to this "fuck it I don't need to pay I'm entitled to free everything because of the internet" generation

 

i don't think it's that kind of thought line that pirates have. it's more of a fuck you RIAA. deal now. before it was just bragging right, "I got this before you did" yadda yadda. and also now it's not "i deserve free music" its more like "why pay for it when i can have it for free" a pirate is no different than someone who refuses to buy bottled water "why pay bottled water when i can get it from my tap"