Phil/ Trey 6-30-06 Camden

Mike and Phil have very different styles. It's really hard to compare the two.

 

They do have different styles but from a strictly technical standpoint Mike is the better bassist.

 

"better" is word that describes opinion....both are extremely talented. and both are extremely different.


and on a side note

Ratdog kicks ass! I just saw them a couple of months ago and they were on fire!!! the talent in that band is unchartable. it is very different from Phil and Friends. the music has a tighter feel since it is a consistent line up. Phil shows are like huge explosions of celebration that can soar or crash hard. Phil plays much more under the philosophy of "without a net".....that is personally more my style. but i very much appreciate Bobby's approach to the music.

 

I'm not sure what that means, but sure internet abbreviations pwn

I think everybody who goes to see GRAB and thinks that GRAB is good is either a. taking too much drugs at the show or b. would gladly accept trey's piss on their faces. I don't understand how generic pop rock with repetative jams can be classified as a good show. No matter how talented the musicians are, they're playing generic pop rock. I really thought these shows were such a waste of money due to GRAB.

No matter how good mike is, grab sucks. The kid I was talking about who isn't really a head thought it was horrible too. Before I even spoke my mind about how I felt he basically read my mind and said everything I felt about GRAB. Next day I brought a friend who's seen phish over 100 times. He says the same thing about GRAB that we did the day before. At 10klf with two other friends they say basically the same thing about GRAB. Every single person I've mentioned including me plays an instrument, some of them multiple instruments. I think Phil's reinvention of dead songs is growth enough for me. I consider what happened to trey and mike degradation rather than reinvention.

 

I can handle you rippin on trey but not mike. Check out Leo Kottke's and Mikes two albums for growth. Phil Lesh reinventing songs he didnt write is really not that impressive... I like seeing Trey cuz he used to be the greateset guitarist in the world. And in his shows these days he still has flashes of brilliance. I will admit trey is gettin gay. But I dont understand why your comparing GRAB to Phish there completley different bands that dont play any of the same songs. I think a better comparison would be Phil Lesh and friends to the Grateful Dead seeing as they play the exact same songs only a hundred times worse. I'm not saying GRAB is brilliant by any means...just alot better than Phil Lesh and friends. I think anyone that thinks Phil Lesh and friends is good is either a. too old to know what good is or b. in a daze of drugs and thinks there at a below average grateful dead show. And about it being strictly pop rock thats just wrong. While you can definaetly see trey's influence on the duo which is restricitng them to more gay rock, at the camden show, there were definately a few jazzy funky songs. I wanna see Phil Lesh and friends attempt any type of jazz funk that Grab was groovin to at certain points during the concert.

P.S. I am not impressed with the fact that you play an instrument, I do as well and this is still what I think.

 

Well I knew there was going to be a lot of Trey songs in the GRAB sets, so I knew what to expect. They're okay songs; call me crazy, but I was dancing away stone cold sober.

And GRAB didn't always play their "pop" stuff. There were some mike and duo songs thrown in there. Not enough, though.

 

Thank you Night owl definately not enough but GRAB was still alot better than PHIL lesh and friends (I left before the end of their set).

 

Fair enough you wanna see the once-greatest guitarist in the world I wanna see the once greatest rock bassist, but let me say you're twisting my words/assuming nonsense, which is kind of rude. You asked if I play music, I responded that everyone who's felt the way I do about GRAB does. You asked the question, I gave you the answer. So I don't wanna hear bullshit like I'm trying to impress you.

I never ripped on mike, DUO sucks and trey has fallen off. Go see kimock if you wanna see the greatest living guitarist. The only musician I like in the band is Mike, I'd rather see him in something else. The only song I heard when I saw GRAB 3 times this tour was a song sung by mike, probably written by mike. O and the balloon jam that opened up 10k was pretty sweet. And I'd recommend you listen to some real funk that doesn't groove for a few measures before degrading into noise, a la GRAB. You play an instrument but do you even listen to music?

 

i never asked if u played an isntrument but it really is not important. I mean im just statin gmy oppinion as well. The duo used to be alot better back a few years ago. They ve been playin too much straight rock (prob Treys fault). I just feel that your oppinion is heavily influenced by your liking of the band the Grateful dead. This is a stupid fight and I hate getting into arguments over the internet so I'm just gonna say you thought one band was better I thought the other. Doesnt mean either of us have bad musical taste or aynthing it was nice talkin to you tho.

 

Nobody's fighting. Friendly conversation.

 

ahhaa yea...i cant help from getting a lil heated especially when the topic is music. But whne it comes down to to it its all good.

 

Yea it happens.

 

Do I interpret correctly that you do not like the duo?

Is it just not your style? Because them boys can play.

 

I really enjoy the duo and would love someone to defend them with me. I just think they usd to be alot better when they did alot more funky jazzy shit. I feel trey might have turned them a lil gay with all his gay rock shit hahaha. With that being said there extremely talented musicians who deserve alot more resepct then they get.

 

they don't exactly play rock 'n' roll.

 

the duo with mike, is much better than grab. Duo w/mike is so much more experimental....more like 94 phish, that coloring outside of the lines kind of approach. but grab is too polished for me. they have some great stuff, but overall its all about the duo or the duo w/mike....i actually prefer the most the duo w/ mike because mike adds what the duo lacks, solid low end. now that mike has that covered it really allows bennevento to rock out...

 

I think they are extremely talented musicians, but I don't like their music. I definitely wouldn't call their music funk though. I don't even like Phish that much. I mean I do love Phish but compared to some other bands, I like a lot of other bands a lot more.

 

The duo with mike is better than GRAB. The person said that they were more experiemntal nailed it on the head. Their music isnt funk, its fusionn or it used to be.

 

i didnt really enjoy the duo w/ mike, but Ive seen the duo by themselves several times and thought they were great