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You make it sound like peta did not embrace this idea, which is VERY misleading. Yes, you can add isaac singer into the list of whackjobs if he came up with that idea, holocaust survivor or not.


i found this an interesting tidbit...

" The Chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, Fred S. Zeidman, today expressed his outrage over PETA’s desecration of Holocaust memory and released the following statement:

“The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is appalled by PETA’s utterly shameless and contemptible public relations campaign equating the millions of men, women and children murdered in the Holocaust to animals.

“This organization has chosen to ignore common decency and desecrate the memory of Holocaust victims, survivors and their families in its perverted effort to generate headlines.

“We are especially offended that PETA has chosen to use materials obtained deceitfully from the Museum. We deplore this exploitation of the Holocaust and reprehensible misuse of Holocaust materials.

“We urge PETA to halt this campaign and find an appropriate way to build support for its goals. An organization so concerned about inflicting pain on animals should not be so oblivious to the pain it is inflicting on humans.”

http://ushmm.org/museum/press/archive/general/peta2.htm


even WORSE than the holocaust stunt was their exploitation of kids over the fur escapade...

for anyone that hasnt seen it, you can see it here..

http://www.furisdead.com/mommykills300.pdf

have they no sense of decency left? I'm sorry, but there is something wrong with the actions of this group.....they rely on shock tactics to promote their goals....which is one thing when they target adults.....but to SEEK out kids with their agenda? The people that did this and agree with this are sick, sick people. I thank god that these people are an extremely small minority in the US.

 

If I was a veg*n I would dispise PETA for bringing the movement into disrepute.

 

lol, its sickening that you jutsify PETA's actions by saying others do it too!

its simple why i think humans are better. I believe humans are given inalienable rights and that animals are not. You have this weird image that meat eaters go around with their cars trying to kill every animal that crosses the street, or that we try and kick every bird on the ground as we pass by, which is absolutely wrong. The holocaust was about hatred and cleansing some people from the earth, killing animals is to eat. It isnt some sadistic practice to get off or to remove them from the earth.

The fact is, their comparison of jews to chickens completely lessens the significance of the event. I'm sorry, but humans and animals are not on the same level

 

Of course there are Jews that disagree with it...hell, there are Jew who think we shouldn't have a Holocaust museum, but acting like PETA came up with the idea is stupid...and actually they aren't the first group to use it, nor is Issac Singer a "whackjob" for making the comparison. In fact, since he was in the camps and neither you nor I was, we really have no right to judge him either way. And I seriously cannot believe you just called a Holocaust survivor a 'whackjob". In the eyes of some, that would be incredibly racist.

And you know what, shock tactics work. My fiance and I are going to raise our kids vegan and as activists, and we are going to make sure they know the truth from day one. It's the same thing with the Holocaust...do you really think I'm going to hide the truth from them when it's their heritage? Fuck no! Yes, pictures of animal cruelty and dead people in mass graves at Belsen are shocking, but hiding those truths from them is worse than "shocking" them. Besides, good parents are able to guide their kids through things like that without hiding it from them.

On a side note, do you want to know who the REAL whackjobs are? The Xians who come to my door and once I tell them that I'm Jewish insist that I'm going to hell for; "Not accepting Jesus". That's also pretty damned racist, not to mention rude. But then again I live in redneckland.

PS:I also must add something. You keep saying that humans and animals aren't the same. However, if you insist on saying that please use facts. Humans ARE animals! It's a biological fact. You should say something like; "A non-human animal doesn't have the same rights as the human animal."

 

please answer a simple question. Did peta embrace the idea or not? Whether they invented the comparison is a moot point. The point is they did embrace it and they used it for their own political means....

I HAVE said that the difference between us is because we are given more rights...here let me paste it for you

" I believe humans are given inalienable rights and that animals are not"

 

Of course they embraced it. So? They aren't the first nor will they be the last. And I applaud Issac Singer not only for surviving the Holocaust but also for being wise enough to make the comparison between human animal cruelty and non-human animal cruelty. For anyone to call someone like him a "whackjob" is most likely anti-Jewish. Holocaust survivors should automatically have your respect whether you "agree" with them or not. I'd like to see you survive something like that.

Now you answer a simple question for me...actually, answer 2. 1)Why do you continue to ignore the fact that humans are members of the animal kingdom; and 2)Do you deny that non-human animals have the inalienable right to live and not be treated cruelly? And don't give me that crap that some idiots give where they say PETA thinks non-human animals should have the right to vote. The only people who think PETA really believes that are uneducated idiots who don't know how to do research.

 

whoa whoa whoa, i dont care what race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, country or whatever this isaac singer comes from. He's a whackjob for making the comparison of humans to animals...for nothing else. I absolutely resent your anti jewish insinuation. I'm sick and tired of people like you who go around calling people bigots or whatever because they disagree with them.

1) humans are part of the animal kingdom, i've never denied that.

2) i am all for anti cruelty laws towards animals and find people who torture them sadistic and disgusting. Killing animals for sustenance doesnt qualify as torture IMO..

Now, since we ARE part of the animal kingdom lets evalute a few things. Do animals that are omnis and carniverous kill other animals? Yes they do. If we are animals, how are we different than some other animal which kills to survive? Now if you want to start arguing that we have been given the brain power to realize that killing other animals is wrong and that we have the power not too, then you're removing us from the animal kingdom and putting us on another plain. Which is it? Are we just another group of omnis that eat meat and kill? Or are we better than animals because we've been blessed with highly developed brains?

In the end, i will always value a normal human life(i.e. not charles manson over any animal. I'm sorry you think thats wrong. I dont condone anyone tortuing animals. I dont condone hunting for sport. I do condone killing when the animal is to be eaten.

 

Yes, but the MAJOR difference between the human animal and non-human animals is that we are able to NOT HAVE TO eat other animals. We don't need meat. Does that make us somehow "better" than non-humans? Not really. We're simply more evolved.

You said you don't condone animal torture. Well, you do realize that animals are tortured before they are killed to be eaten...don't you? You really need to read the books "Slaughterhouse" and "Eternal Treblinka" to see what I mean.

And talking about insinuations...where the hell did you get the idea that I (or any PETA member for that matter) values the life of non-human animals over human animals? Our motto is; "Protect the rights of ALL animals". This means BOTH non-human and human...and actually PETA has explained this several times. The problem is that people hear what the media says and instead of getting the facts they simply jump to conclusions. It's sad really...it means that the majority of people are not using the brains God gave them.

I'm sorry you thought I was insinuating that you're anti-Jewish. The fact is though that A LOT of Jewish people would say that ANYONE who attacks Issac Singer for his comparisons is anti-Jewish. Also, you still haven't answered my question...don't you think that since he was in the camps he would know better than you or I what to compare it to? I mean, think about it this way...I'm related to people who survived the camps, and no matter how many times I hear the stories I still can't imagine how it was. So do you or I really have any right to tell a person who survived that what they can and can't compare it to? No, because we were not there.

 

your use of the word 'better' is a bad word to use. I'm sorry, but if you really cant see a difference between humans and an animal in the jungle, then we are both wasting our time. Like i said, i believe humans have inalienable rights, i dont think animals have the same rights.

i dont even know what factorm farming is, so i cant/wont comment on it.

Now i dont know about you, but i havent ever seen a non dog animal smile...so

 

no, i just cant read your mind and guess thats what you really meant

 

Megara,

You said; "I'm sick and tired of people like you who go around calling people bigots or whatever because they disagree with them."

Even though I explained in my last post that I didn't mean to insinuate that you were a bigot, I understand what you mean. I'm sick and tired of people who go around saying that PETA values non-humans over humans when we actually are for the rights of all members of the animal kingdom, human and non-human. So, I apologize if you thought I was saying you were a bigot...and I think you are intelligent enough to apologize for being wrong about what PETA "values". I'm sure that unlike many people you simply didn't know and weren't trying to be an asshole.

 

I cant accept the methods that PETA uses. While i have np with many of their goals, and think some are laudable.....the holocaust and even more the kid one really irks me. I hope all peta members dont find thise method acceptable.

I dont want any animal to be tortured, but inevitably, they are going to be killed and many will see that as the worst torture. I dont think this will ever be reconciled, atleast in our life time

 

where exactly did you, phoenixx, point me to factory farming? Now i believe that was didgeridoo.

I dont think i've even made one statement about whether or not animals have been tortured. I dont see killing them as torture. What all else goes on, i dont know, but if animals are needlessly tortured, which would be a violation of the humane slaughter act, then i hope the people are arrested/charged/fined or whatever the punishments are.

 

dude why do you always feel the need to come into the veggie forum and piss people off, seriously man. it's not the fact that their killed but how thrir killed and what happens to them befre they die that is horrible. and what makes human life more important, why do you belive this, yes we do have rights that animals are not granted...but guess who gave us those rights, we did! thats like saying yeah white people can vote but you damn coloreds can't because you don't have rights even though we were the ones to decide that. PETA does sometimes focus more on the rights of non-human animals, but that is kind of the entire reason it was formed, thats like saying the NAACP doesn't look out for white people!!

 

i'm not trying to piss anyone off.

I would disagree that you think the death doesnt matter. It sure seems to matter to a lot of people on here and off.

if you actually read anything i said, i have never criticized them for trying to improve the life of animals and protect them, i have criticized their METHODS, especially pertaining to kids and the holocaust. That is unexcusable.

I'm sorry, but do you really need me to answer the question about why we are "better." Look at what humans have accomplished over hte past 4000 years. It is utterly amazing and astonishing what we as a people have accomplished.

 

what about other animals whop have existed before us and still exist, thats pretty amazing. and so what if we are intellectually ahead of other animals, that doesn't make us better or more important. and yes death does matter, but it's not just death, the point is how their treated. also by your logic, humans having accomplished more, have more rights. does that mean that since i'm in high school I can kill little kids, i've obiously accomplished more, or can a man who has worked his way up from pverty to be extremly rich has the right to kill peole with less, he obiously has accomplished more than them, right? so they dont matter! who cares about them right, if they didn't make it and we did it's thier own fault!

 

erm, nice analogy......seeing how murder is against the law, no you cant do that. Why do you have a problem with me seeing our own species as most important? Yes, i think our brain and our thumbs do make us unique. Other animals arent accomplishing what we are. They have no ability to do what we do. Now you need to becareful when you use the term important though. Surely life would go on without us, as it would without any other single species. I see my own species as most important, which is not unusual within animals. Yes, i think a human life is more special than your run of the mill animal. Very few animals have complex brains and can learn words or the such.

But as i said, i dont think that gives us the right to openly torture animals. There are laws against that.


Yes it is impressive how long some species have lived.

Edit: ok i have a serious question. how many people here use/would use things like ant traps, rat traps, or have your house fumugated? What would you do if your house was infested with any of these? Let them live? If you had termites? Would you let them eat your house instead of fumuigating them to death? Would you let rats run around your house fi you had them? If you would kill them, what gives you the right to get preachy with others about killing animals for better reasons than material possessions? Would you not try and kill the fly that just bit you? Will you not swat the little spider in your room? The fact is, everytime you use soap you're killing living life. I know, they dont have complex nervous systems, so you can slaughter them at will without any remorse.

 

dude the life on your body you kill with soap, are bacteria and protists, their not animals, their a complete different kingdom, so eating plants can be condemed just as much as killing them.

 

1. PETA believes that prevention should be used before you have to resort to "traps" of any kind. However, we know that you sometimes have to defend yourself against an animal...whether they are a flea or a bear. But the best weapon is PREVENTION. Also, there are humane "traps" and insect repellents that don't kill.

2. Duh about the soap part. There are a type of mite that lives on us, and keeps us healthy. Still, they are animals and the PETA philosophy is that they have the right to be here. Just because we accidently kill them, or accidently step on ants, doesn't mean we have the right to kill on purpose. In fact, every night I ask God to forgive me for any animal that I accidently killed.

3. "I know, they dont have complex nervous systems, so you can slaughter them at will without any remorse."

Thank you for bringing this up. Some people (include a few in the AR comm) think that AR is just about pain. It's not. It's about using animals when we don't need to. That's why I joined PETA. They don't exclude ANY animal.

 

Don't listen to Megara... he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Peta is a great organization. They've done a lot of good for animal liberation. Only people who are afraid of the truth and change would encourage you to ignore that fact. And as far as the holocaust analogy.. well.. it's totally legit. Except meateaters consume billions of lives every year continually, at least the human holocaust under the Hitler regime ended. The animal holocaust has yet to see it's end.