Penis Karma ?

Are you asking me?
Thinking someone is an idiot or worse even isn't neccesarily to hate that person.

 

I know that Spook - I think the same is true of the Brits - we're seen either as upper class twits, or else drunken and violent thugs.

 

Yeah...you guys are either sipping tea with your pinkies out in elegant London townhomes or swilling pints in pubs and starting soccer riots...where I am...Texas...men are drunken, oversexed, violent cowboys who drive huge pickups, women are Pam Anderson clones with huge hair and silicone boobs...now that I think about it, there is ample basis for the Texas stereotype...I see it every day.

 

Your post contains many good observations...I have to take them one or two at a time.

I see guys like this all the time...not too much older than me...they're desperate. The yawning chasm of advanced old age, disease, and death is directly before them and they're trying to buy eight or ten more years of the illusion of youth, wasting the time of life that should be spent seriously focused on God. Gives me a sad and sick feeling to see, no matter how rich and successful they are.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada for showing me the path of deliverance from this delusioned way of life.

 

Yes you are right
present day sex is only for pleasure and to ensure reproduction

Sex could be the path to enlightment
but as of today nobody knows for surely
and nobody will gurantee

A lot of knowledge on that subject has been lost or just corrupted

 

These are negative consequences from whose point of view ?

Humans

If god did create us then he obviously wanted us to reproduce everytime
we had sex ?

Solving AIDS problem at the root involves reduced sexual activity in my opinion,condoms are a quick fix solution and only gurantee 99 % safety

Also one of the main reasons why I feel people are oversexed is because
they are constantly bombarded with sexual images,objects,thoughts in the media and their immeditate environment
If you remove these stimuli you could find that sexual activity might actually decrease

This however is very tough

Yes the industrial revolution did start in europe but the torch bearer of capitalism and corporations today is U.S.A

 

I do understand that all americans are not the same
I don't hate all of you
and also I never used the word hate cause hate's a strong word
I used dislike
but
the problem and solution lies not with me but with other people
all around the world

They are getting impatient
because you are not doing enough to reign in your
government or your corporations

Having noble thoughts is of no use if you are not going to
act on them and produce tangible results

Sooner or later people will blame the american public for the crimes
of its government and corporations
and thats when innocents will suffer

I have seen this myself
Many of my friends (some muslims) always thought that
when Bush invaded Iraq he did it against american public opinion
and hence only bush and his government,US army were guilty
of crimes against humanity
While the american public was not to blame

But the re-election of bush has been a slap on the face of many moderates
who now believe that the American public doesn't give a shit about the truth and
their suffering
they have knowingly re-elected a murderer and a liar with a clear majority
This is nothing short of giving the muslim world and some moderates in the
third world the middle finger

You did your bit to not get bush elected but then it was not enough

I just feel helpless watching the seeds of tommorows 9/11's being sown and
just venting my frustration I think

 

I don't hate you
I dislike you because of what you are unknowingly doing to this world

Where your nose begins my jurisdiction ends and you are free to
do what you want within the area of your nose

But the minute you start interfering in my nose(picking it )
That's when I have a problem

Now here in India the corporate lobbying and crimes of American corporations
along with the arrogance of the WTO and meddling by the IMF is what is bugging me

These american corporations are hand in glove with indian corporations
and will stop at nothing in their pursuit of profit maximization and
shareholder wealth creation

This is my problem

Pamela anderson is just a small part of the puzzle
and is a symbol of american decadence and represents all that is wrong with its
society

 

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You are exxagerating this

The hypocricy of mullahs is well documented
This is an extreme case
No one here supports that type of madness

We are not talking about killing people for their sexual behaviour

What we are trying to do is agree upon the fact that filth like Paris Hilton and Pamela Anderson must be kept out of our media
They can do what they want in their personal lives I don't care
but the media should stop glorifying and idolizing retards as such

And to achieve this the initiative must come from american society
and is not forthcoming right now

A few people have good intentions but they don't act on it and are just not doing enought to stop the collapse of civilization




On a sidenote I oppose patriarchy as much as I oppose present day extreme capitalism
But women' s liberation does not mean they need to stuff their boobs with plastic and walk around dressed in nothing
It is not about liberating them from their clothes

This behaviour gives only more ammo to mullahs who are
always ready with a " I told you so "

 

Regarding your first point - it's the same with everything else too - whatever we do only really affects humans (and the earth/other creatures) - it doesn't really affect God.

I am not at all convinced that sex in humans is there meerly for reproduction. It seems that as humans have evolved beyond the purely animal level, so the sex impulse too has evolved within us.
To say God must only want us to have sex for reproductive purposes is tantamount to saying that perhaps when someone gets ill he really just wants them to die, and we shouldn't intervene.
There are many things which animals do which humans do in a slightly different way. Look for example at the culture surrounding eating - cooking elaborate meals etc. Why not just eat it raw?


I'd just like to add one litle word here, which hasn't been mentioned in this thread, and which really should be the basis of sexual activity - love.
And really thats part of what sex is - an expression of love.
That's the way humans are - if God wanted them different, He presumably could intervene and change human nature.

 

Its just really sad when sex and passion is thought to be love...and when the sex/passion dies...what is left? I've heard this as the causes of many divorces...what if there was an emphasis on love first...over sex and physical attraction...damn we could just walk with bags over our faces...because I truly think the emphasis on sexuality chokes out the importance of love.....its really sad...hmm...and whenever I say this to my peers I get different reactions...its really quite interesting...

 

Ever been in love? -
It's not just or even mainly about physical/sexual attraction in my experience - although that plays a part.
When people want sex without love, that is what I call lust - and usually that can lead to negative consequences. Some don't know the difference - they think sex and love are the same thing.
But love is a wonderful thing -

A lot of modern sexuality is based wholly on lust - and that is sad. The folks involved are only doing themselves damage - turning what should be a beautiful thing into something sordid and tacky...

 

First of all I do not live in America, and I don't care if you hate me or not. it doesn't effect my mindset in the slightest. Subscribing yourself to be of any group is a nonsense, total illusion.

No you did use the word despise, which is just the same as hate.

Animals copulate in fields but do we hate them or even dislike them. I have no problem with people talking of sex, and doing nothing but sex. If they do it long enough I am sure they will realise it doesnt bring them happiness. And if I noticed someone who was unhappy because of it, I would explain why in my opinion. But people only seem to learn by their mistakes, you can tell them till you are blue in the face and they wont take any notice.

How do you know what's a waste of time. Do you process all the wisdom of the world. Maybe they are not ready to progress on a spiritual path as a person or nation, and this seeking of youthfulness may eventually give them a much needed insight.

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Let all beings be happy! Weak or strong, of high, middle or low estate, small or great, visable or invisable, near or far away, alive or still to be born - may they all be entirely happy!

Let nobody lie to anybody or despise any single being anywhere. May nobody wish harm to any single creature, out of anger or hatred!

Let us cherish all creatures, as a mother her only child!

May our loving thoughts fill the whole world, above, below, acorss - without limit; a boundless goodwill toward the whole world, unrestricted, free of hatred and enmity!

 

You are absolutely right...I am processing what I see through my own vision, and being judgemental in the process...need to stay aware of that...it's a huge lapse in presumed "humility".

But...you've got to look at in another way...oftentimes they've dumped a first wife of many years or are cheating on her if they haven't...these guys are putting their own self-validation as studly, attractive men above the feelings of someone who may have been faithful to them for many years...usually they've also badly damaged relationships with their kids...unless rich and the kids don't want to lose their inheritance. I can't see these types of situations as being anything but gross misuse of free will and ultimately very damaging to the perpetrator, in this life or the next.

 

Spook - on this I agree. It is irresponsible to have children and then leave one's partner before they are grown to independence. But I can see how it comes about, at least in some cases. It's because of the confusion of sex and love. People get together almost solely on the basis of sexual attraction, and when that wears off a little, they find they're stuck with someone with whom they have no real closer ties or relation. They are so addicted to their own pursuit of what they see as their own pleasure, that they then can't face up to caring properly for their children. They're not prepared to make that sacrifice - but if they did, perhaps just that even would redeem them in some way.

It is also sad when older men or women seek get caught up in a 'virility' trip - trying to carry on acting young instead of growing old with grace. And it's very sad when sex is the only thing a man has to make him feel like a man. A horrible and very un-balanced state to be in.

 

I believe your correct. From observation their lifestyle doesnt seem to bring happiness. But telling them they are wrong, depising or disliking them because of it will get us nowhere IMHO. It seems the only way most learn is through harsh experience, and thats certainly the case in my experience.

 

Phil, I agree with you too up to a point. It is through experience that we learn and grow.
But nonetheless, the media etc does play a part in all this. It promotes the whole set of attitudes and values (or anti-values!) which lead people into conformity with the whole modern ethos of 'glossy' sex etc.
Just look at the net - the amount of porn etc that's around. TV soaps - ie who's screwing who - the whole culture really.
And there's disturbing trends towards more and more teenagers starting to have sex when younger - an increase in teenage mothers - too late in some ways for a girl to learn from experience then. I feel our children are being propelled by the media into all this. And of course, by the attitudes and lifestyles of their parents.

 

It basically comes to the fact BlackBillBlake that I do not have the wisdom to know whats best for the world. Most of the time I am unsure whats best for me. And I just get a little worried when people tell me they know whats best. Because Hitler did quite well at that. And I bet he started out with the best intentions as well.

I dont think we can go far wrong if we have compassion for others. After that I am at a loss.

 

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' they say.
It's hard to know what is best for the world. It's hard at times to know what is best for oneself. Sometimes, it's a lot easier to say what's wrong than what the solution might be.
All one can do is try to be sincere and act on one's best intelligence, if possible with sensitivity and awareness. I'm not interested in telling people what to do, or how to act. There is no point. I think people generally need to undergo some process of awakening - if people are to become self-regulating, thus abolishing the need for control systems, that is the only way it seems possible. My interest in hinduism and so on only rests on that.