Pedophiles: Sick or Evil?

Well i can understand what you are saying, i suppose once people label something as evil the first response is to have it destroyed but that is simple.

Having said all that i think you are getting too caught up with words and not the intent behind the words, 'Evil/Harmful person' what ever you call it they both mean that the person is a Bad person.

I do wonder Libertine if perhaps that apart of the reason for creating this thread was to debate the word 'Evil', you were the first person to mention it in this thread... it's in the title.

 

Good observation.

'Twas one of my reasons. But not the only one. I really wanted to see how people stood on this issue and start discussion and debate. I am satisfied thus far with most people's responses whether I agree with them or not.

 

Sure, thats understandable and also I understand that you are a 'multi-layered person' (for a great, great lack of a better phrase) so i understand that you are also interested in the topic but also from many different angles.

 

Indeed, my friend. You get it.

I don't think in simplistic terms much. That could be viewed as a curse as much as a "blessing", I suppose.

But, at least I never get bored. And I do enjoy the discussions.

 

wasnt a comparison, just an example of what is evil to some, like i said, "evil" is relative.


and, what if it is a consenting "child"?

besides, anything with a prepubesent is sick, because they arent sexual animals yet, so to be sexual with them is wrong. BUT some people hit puberty at 10, whos to say it wasnt consentual?

just poseing a question, so dont cut my dick off.

 

a consenting child, with an adult? I lost my virginity at 17 with a 26 year old and find that a liuttle sick and wrong now so at 10 I couldn't imagine consenting I didn't even know what sex was. uhm I don't mean to cut your dick off dude but your views are really not cool with me and seem a little permissive of harmful and hurtful behavior.

If you had a daughter and she was 10 you would be okay with her 'consenting' to have sex with a grown man?

 

??? -- 17 and 26 is "sick" and "wrong"???

Well, I suppose I am sick and wrong. My marriage is sick and wrong. My son is a product of sickness and wrongness. Because she was 17 and I was 23 and now we have two children and a pretty damn good life.

ALL HAIL "SICK" AND "WRONG"!!! :H

Please.

What the fuck kind of puritan social conditioning have you went through, girl?

 

I do have a daughter, and she wont be raised thinking sex is a bad thing, so im sure when she is ready for sex then as long as she is respectful to herself, then sure, whatever she wants, just responsible.

Besides i was first to say that pedophilia, that being attraction to prepubesant children is sick. SO i dont condone hurtful and harmful
behavior. I believe in nature.

I knew a girl in highschool who at 16 told me all about her sexual exploits with an older man, when she was 11. She loved dick, and knew where to find it, and what to do with it.

and as a species, we are extending our juvenille time
once, we died at 27, and married at 9,had kids at 10
were middle aged by 15, but look now, we live till 80, and are children till 25,40 was ancient back then

i would be a tribal elder at my age

 

This is definitely a fact.

The question is...how much of this is social conditioning?

 

the large majority. puberty happens early, and actually getting earlier, but society wants us teenagers till 27. I have 3 children, been married since 19, when most people my age, then and now, are still party hardy teenagers, living of mom and dads dime.

 

think about this. Sex is for one thing really, though fun as hell, it is to reproduce, no question. Using that, a woman is born with all of her eggs. She starts to release them upon puberty.

Which is better for healthy offspring, 12 year old eggs? or 35 year old eggs?

men make new sperm daily, until they are too damned old to make em.

hence the older man/younger woman scenario.

 

I think much of it is relative to the culture as well. In Paranoica here, our society is full of sexual perverts wearing the masks of sexual purists--in other words, HYPOCRITES.

But, in many cultures, they don't sweat the stuff we pretend to consider inconceiveable.

 

AS much as a testimate to healthy views on female sexuality this 16 year old girl who had sex with older men at 11 sounds it doesn't justify pedophilia. imo 18 is 18 there's laws in place for reasons...to keep people like you who condone statutory rape away from kids who do not have the mental or emotional ability to make decisions for themselve's.

 

do even know what the fuck pedophilia means?

From wikipedia, just for you...

Pedophilia, paedophilia, or p?dophilia (see spelling differences), is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to pre-pubescent children. Persons with this attraction are called pedophiles.

Sex with a 17 isnt a pedophile, no way around it. Study nature, study evolution, study the past.

Just for your info, as i stated before, i have never been with anyone under 19, except some foolin around in Jr High, so dont think i am going after 13 year olds. BTW, 18 isnt the law. Here its 16. Parts of canada its 14, japan is 13. 18 is to smoke.

pedophilia is fucked up, sex with sexually mature, consenting partners is not.

 

in another post you said that sexual maturity is around 10...I would just hate for someone to read that the wrong way and take it as validation for their thoughts or behavior. You may mean it from a scientific and biological point of view but you are wrong if you think those 10 and 11 year old who look like adults on the outside feel like them on the inside. I just don't think an 11 year old is capable of consenting with an adult.

In california it is 18. I don't think sex with a 17 year-old is pedohilia I just think there is something wrong with somone in their mid twenties who is interested in a relationship with a 17 year-old.

 

Libertine is going to have something to say about that im sure

here is my pre-emptive reply: Libertine while some may find it slightly wrong that someone in their mid twenties wants a relationship with a 17 year old it is because most people assume that they want to take advantage of a younger and less experianced person.

Now Libertine most people wont criticize your relationship because it is obvious it is based on love, so what the difference between you and someone else?

Well let me ask you this, did you go looking for 17 year olds? or did you just happen to fall in love with some one who was 17?

 

First, let me state that Statutory Rape is a bullshit law. Period.

Secondly... if a girl at 17 is not mentally able to give consent, she should be considered legally retarded. I don't mean that as an insult to mentally challenged people, either.

Thirdly, ha ha... "love" has nothing to do with the law. Would they have condoned my relationship with my wife just because we said, "We love each other and plan to marry!" ??? Doubtful.

The law is the law is the law. And some laws need to be challenged. Statutory Rape laws are a "testament" to American sexual paranoia and lack of touch with reality and nature.

Typical for Americans.

The Land of the Ignorant and Home of the Hypocrite. America's answer to every problem is "get tough". How about "get SMART"? Prohibition and victimless laws have NEVER worked and NEVER will. But, America is like an ignorant fundamentalist--keep doing the same non-working shit over and over.

Pat Robertson is a good poster boy for AMERICA.

 

Ok, nice post but is it really a reply to mine? I wasnt talking law... at all, i was talking about peoples personal perception and concerns.

I do admit that I'm not totally sure how to criticize a reply to a pre-empted post it's new ground for me.

 

Actually only #3 was aimed at your last post.

About love.

 

Well you do make a good point there, there is no way in that situation the law can differentiate between a healthy relationship and an abusive one but where do we draw the line? How can parents feel their children are protected by the law? It's tricky because on one hand you have the minors need to develop and grow (in a healthy manner) and on the other hand you have alot of fucked up people willing to hurt others for their own needs.

I'm not going to pretend to know the answer so i thought those questions were worth throwing out there.