Emotion is totally subjective. I don't understand, though, how you couldn't find emotion in his arrangement of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" or "Concerto Suite Opus #5". Satriani was never really my thing either, but he's really technical, I still give him respect for his chops. Vinnie Moore is more emotional than either one, as is a lot Jason Becker and he and Marty's work in Cacophony.
I watched a couple of Vai vids and all I got was wankery and homo-erotic use of guitars. Malmsteen was the shit on that G3 dvd. And emotion? I'm pretty sure anger is an emotion too.
And exposing anger through a guitar is...? Metal 5th chord riffs? If that's the case, I don't suppose a guitarist who shows a lot of "anger emotion" is really all that interesting to listen to. If you find Steve Vai to be homoerotic, there's something wrong with your brain, man. I saw him live at G3, and it was yummy ear candy!
steve vai is a product of the whole 80s glam, hair band, guitar wanking solos that all of us grew to hate, especially those of us that grew up during that time..... yeah I think alot of his stuff is rather gay, come to think of it..... a friend of mine lent his vai vhs tape to me a few years ago, and I thought it was a little homo-erotic just like the person said before.
Obviously coming from the mouth of someone who knows nothing about him. Steve Vai had a solo Jazz/Fusion and Guitar rock career after leaving Berklee in the late '70s. He didn't join Whitesnake or David Lee Roth until the Mid and late '80s. If you think he's homoerotic, there's simply something you're not getting, not anything wrong with his music.
I know quite a bit about steve vai. I have a friend who was totally obsessed with him and would never shut up about his music or the dudes biography. I know he is technically learned and a very good guitar player, but for me his music doesnt do anything for me at all. I actually liked the work that he did with david lee roth, though
I agree that David Gilmour is emotional, one of the best in his field. He's not at all technically able, though. Also, Stevie Ray Vaughan, like I said, repeats the same pentatonic and minor blues scale phrases, which, just like Gilmour, nullifies and ruins his emotion within listening to a few songs. Carlos Santana isn't emotional at all, he's simply an Afro-Cuban, Bosta guitarist with a very muddy preamp tone. I'm sorry, but someone who can sit and rip on a master of the guitar instrument like Steve Vai, and then praise pentawhores (no matter how likable they may be), is simply missing something on the instrument. I can't believe you'd be that blasphemous, or that musically challenged. I can't believe this is coming from the mouth of a recently "born" Pantera fan. I'm done with you.
ohh I also forgot steve vai also played for zappa (who wasnt a shabby guitar player in his own right). zappa used to tell him if he didnt get his solos or his sequencing right (which were very difficult to play) that linda ronstadt is looking for a new guitarist. I mean, he is very good, but he does nothing for me.
geez man......... its obvious you are a guitar player, and usually people that are musically inclined get into guitarists who rely on difficulty and technicality..... I could care less if guitarists use the same phrases or arent technically flashy. All that matters to me is tone, originality, and emotion. I like guitarists who have an original tone, much like robbie kreiger, carlos santana, david gilmour, eddie van halen......
I never heard of Frank saying that, nor have I ever heard of Steve Vai ever having a problem with Zappa's song structure. The only "difficult" thing about Zappa's songs were the odd time signatures, and Vai easily busts out (and did even with Sasha Solai in 1974) triplet runs in a 6/8 time or a 12/8 time. If anything, Zappa was being facetious (as he often was), if this phrase ever moronicaly slipped between his lips. I can't believe you're even trying to argue this.
you also only gave me 3 guitarists to pick from(which was very hard to narrow down)... I have a wide taste in music..... I was actually going to put prince down as another favourite of mine, but Im sure you were about to rip him to shreds too. michael karoli, robert fripp, frank zappa, are a few others I need to mention.
and you are a supposed all-knowing steve vai fan????? dude, thats where he learned his musical chops.. it was zappa that broke him into the whole deal. zappas solos are the most difficult things to play. Ill try to find the quote........
You’re trying to boil everything in metal down to "metal 5th chord riffs". I don’t think you have jammed with alot of metal guys, or seen the amount of work we put into it. It's not just power chords; we actually do learn our scales, time signatures and technique. I haven’t heard any music that stands up to metal with its intricacies and constant changing timing, except maybe classical music. Above 200bpm everything gets interesting. Listen to some necrophagist; hate eternal, borknagar, and vintersorg if you want to hear some metal that steps out of your "metal 5th chord riffs". Maybe you are just listening to the wrong bands.
Vai, who joined Zappa’s band when he was fresh out of college, recalled his nerve-wracking audition at which Zappa mischievously kept challenging him to play increasingly difficult riffs until finally demanding the impossible. When Vai objected, Zappa suggested, “You know, Linda Ronstadt is looking for a guitarist.” As he spoke with affection and reverence for his mentor and friend, Vai grew more animated, unable to stop the torrent of funny, touching stories from pouring out of him. By the time Vai stopped for a tightly edited Zappa video profile and collage of his quad mixes, it felt as if we’d lost Zappa only yesterday instead of a decade ago. --from xtreme musician.com Im surprised such a fan of steve vai never heard that story before..... steve always says this when anyone asks of his fairest memory of frank zappa. steve vai also said that the best solo he ever heard was from zappa, during the recording of zoot allures.
Anyway, back to the topic, Pantera rules. I used to like phil's lyrics alot, he had a rather large emotional well to draw on. Also he claims to have died 7 times, He is invincible. :X
lol. You don't play anything over 200 beats per minute. Don't even start to fake like you do. If you tried to sweep a minor arpeggiated break down within some string-skipping etude-style changes, even at 160 BPM, you'd be totally off time. I'm sorry, but don't act like you can do that. Yes, you could play power chords at 200 BPM. Except maybe classical music? How about Progressive rock's constantly changing meter? How about Afro-Cuban Jazz's constantly changing meter? How about Be-bop Jazz's constantly changing meter? Jazz is known for being notoriously hard to time because of constantly changing meters and strange note groupings. Metal is not a complicated style. I've heard Hate Eternal, and Borknagar, I used to listen to Emperor, I used to listen to Dimmu Borgir, I used to listen to In Flames... I used to play that shit. Don't try to verse me on music, Fallen. I don't appreciate it when someone does.
