Here's a point to ponder - you DO raise interesting points in the Christian forum but you can't deny you don't have an agenda and an axe to grind. See why Leonard worries some people? The "man behind the curtain" when it comes to pedophilia is what scares YBH as a former victim and as a parent.
leonard turns my stomach, seriously. but some of the arguments here make no sense, especially in terms of teenaged girls. since i was the one who initiated my relationship with my boyfriend at the age of 14, and i am the one who pushed for sexual interaction, am i the pedophile?
Mynameis: there's some dude out in Germany who asked someone else to kill him and eat him, but that doesn't mean the guy who actually did it isn't guilty of murder.
i especially resent the argument against treating a teenager as a sexually mature adult. emotionally i was not mature, i'll definitely grant that, but my parents educating me in the essentials of sexual interaction and the dangers and precautions are what SAVED me from being abused.
LOL...good point. But, see. You said you "highly doubt", you didn't say blatantly rake him over the coals. Maybe the reason he puts so much up about it is that people have challenged him over it, so he posts more threads with more stats. I have been labeled "The AntiChrist" because people say that I "invade" the Christian forums, but you've been there, you know what I do.
RE: i especially resent the argument against treating a teenager as a sexually mature adult. emotionally i was not mature, i'll definitely grant that, Thanks and stop right there. That's all that needed to be said. You make my point. RE: But, see. You said you "highly doubt", you didn't say blatantly rake him over the coals. Maybe the reason he puts so much up about it is that people have challenged him over it, so he posts more threads with more stats. I just ignore him, he gives me the creeps. I think he's wrong and know full well he's not interested in anything other than forwarding his pro-diddling agenda. RE: HE WAS 14! Has anyone here in any way said there was something WRONG with peer-interaction? No. Just opposed to ADULTS doing this to kids. Eight year olds play doctor with no resulting psychic scars (well maybe the girl I did it with - we were caught and she was mercilessly spanked on the spot) but an eight year old being groped and molested by a forty year old is another matter. We are not and have never been talking about peer-peer stuff.
often pedophiles try to convince theyr victims that its the natural thing to do, & coerce or guilt them into submission, so technicaly it is concentual, only in the fact that the victims feel powerless to say no, i have never looked up statistics on it to "prove" it does harm, i just can tell you from experience after talking to way too many girls that it does incredible harm.. you want proof? i suggesst entrapment, make yourself a profile of an 11 year old girl & send him a pm, & see what happens
Now, Goth...hold up...you just stated earlier that there was no real evidence for this, and now you have jumped on the YBH bandwagon and say you "KNOW FULL WELL" that he is a "kiddie fiddler" (child molestor). I am confused. Where DO you stand?
RE: Now, Goth...hold up...you just stated earlier that there was no real evidence for this, and now you have jumped on the YBH bandwagon and say you "KNOW FULL WELL" that he is a "kiddie fiddler" (child molestor). I never said anything of the sort. I said he admitted to promoting a pro-diddling agenda.
i most certainly did not. you're still completely denying the fact that in refusing to see that our children have PHYSICALLY matured to sexuality denies their right to the proper treatment in regards to their NATURAL physicaly inclinations. i wasn't emotionally mature enough to get married, or have a baby, so my parents TAUGHT ME, knowing that ultimately it would take wild horses dragging me in the opposite direction to stop me from having sex. i may not have been an adult as percieved by our society, but tell that to hormones. only by education and supporting our children are we able to properly guide them through something THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY. denial doesn't fix it.
RE: i most certainly did not. you're still completely denying the fact that in refusing to see that our children have PHYSICALLY matured to sexuality denies their right to the proper treatment in regards to their NATURAL physicaly inclinations Wha? All I'm saying is at 14 you had enough to deal with without being groomed into a sexual relationship with a 40 year old. What does what you just said have to do with what I was saying?
What?!? You said, "Leonard's motives I question greatly, but Libertine is right - he has not made any untoward suggestions, though he makes my skin crawl." You said, "question" and "highly doubt"...but now you say you "know full well" and that he has "admitted" to such. WHEN did he admit to promoting that?
I'll give you the quote: I think he's wrong and know full well he's not interested in anything other than forwarding his pro-diddling agenda. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't a child molestor, but his bias is very obvious and he states in fact in one thread about Canada's AoC that he is in full support of it.