Out and Old

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  1. thepapasmurph

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    Back in my 20s, I began to come out, and I was exploring and experimenting with the gay lifestyle in my city. I began to tell some friends, and my cousins... but I didn't feel like there was much support or way to really get connected solidly with it all, and after a few negative experiences, I decided to go back in the closet and go straight. I got married to a woman, and began to have a family...
    Fast forward to my early 50s - life changed. The kids were grown. The marriage was OK, but I was not happy. Our sexual relationship, and her affection for me, was gone... and I began to think selfishly, but also facing the old truths about who I really was. Is this the way I want to live the rest of my life? Sitting there across from this woman who rarely talked with me and played games on her phone most of the evening?
    I made a choice to come out and explore this gay world again.
    I've been out to my family, and some friends for the last several years. My wife and I came close to getting a divorce, but have not, and even though we have dealt with the death of our marriage, separating our financials, and living separately. we still live in the same house. Believe it or not, there are many days we go 5 or 6 days without seeing one another... yet, I know she is only on the other side of the wall in the in-law apartment we have on this house.
    I am 67 years old now. My kids are all grown up, solidly in their 30s. I have little grandchildren. We get together quite often for family time and with the holidays coming up - we will all be together.

    So - what's the problem?
    I am lonely. I am restless. I go out a lot, maybe drink too much, socialize with other gay men, and I have a lot of fun... But I still come home alone. I have a fair share of casual sex. It's good. I'm no prude. But, I do not have anyone who wants to hold my hand or caress my face, or just sit next to me while I watch a movie. There is nobody to tell me I'm OK, or to make sure I get home safely after we've been out - because there is no "we". There is only me.
    I am dealing, also, with the fact that I am in the winter of my life. I hope it is early winter, but you know - it's unpredictable, just how long winter will last. I am feeling the effects of being an older man in the gay world - I am not ready to go to the Senior Center. I still want to be hit on by someone who thinks I'm sexy. I still want to be sexy.
    I am dealing with the reality there is a very good chance that I will live the rest of my life like this - alone.
     
  2. Constantine666

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    This Sounds awfully familiar. Though I am in my 60's now and seriously concerned that with the normal ravages of aging along with medical conditions that are a result of genetics and my own stupid immortality complex when I was in my 20's has rendered me somewhat of a pariah in the Bi & Gay community.

    Daily, I chastise myself for folding to the prejudices of the 70's and 80's and burying my other side.I had some brief, but very telling encounters when I was younger. I was hit on more by men than women, though I didn't lack for female attention at all. I just rolled with it and then told myself "I'm not gay." So many missed opportunities, and I knew I wanted to explore them.

    Through the years I tried all sorts of sexual escapades with women, Even pegging, and told myself that since a woman was doing it, it wasn't gay. It wasn't until my 50's that I just decided it was all the same. Pleasure was Pleasure, no matter where it came from or who gave it to you.

    But then the self-deprecation began to set in. My body was not what it was 30 years ago, I've got the whole gambit of musculoskeletal ailments from Arthritis to gout, among a battery of other things. Who's going to want a broken down old man who just found out he's Bisexual?

    As all of the main character in Game of Thrones kept telling us, "Winter is Coming." and with everything else going on, I am feeling that I will indeed spend the Winter of Life, curled up, alone, with my books.
     
  3. KathyL

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    I hear you, @thepapasmurph . My situation is a little different in that I am trans, not gay, but a lot of what you say resonates with me. Finding out on my 60s that I was trans (after a lifetime of wondering why I was so weird) explained a lot, but put a strain on my marriage of 20 years. My wife is not a lesbian, but I am. It makes for a less intimate relationship than I would like, but we are trying to make it work.

    It is a bit lonely, though we remain committed to each other. You can do the math: I got married in my 40s. The time before that was not spent in "youthful indiscretions". On surveys that ask about sexuality, I check "lesbian" and "asexual". I don't know how to flirt and wouldn't recognize a flirt if someone did it to me. And even if I could, I just can't do that to my wife, who has stood by me through the whole coming out experience.

    I have always tried to take good care of my body, but suddenly, two years ago, I got old. January 2022, I was in hospital for three weeks with pneumonia, and I just didn't get my energy back after that. I am going to try to make my remaining years, however many or few they may be, good ones. But the reality is that my best years are likely behind me. Getting old sucks, but it beats the heck out of the alternative.
     
  4. ~Zen~

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    Apparently we are all in the same boat, age wise.

    It is what it is, and making the best of it is my thought.
     
  5. thepapasmurph

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    I read a post a friend put out on Facebook yesterday, and two other friends posted similar separate, unrelated posts about aging, etc. Maybe it was the status of the moon, or maybe it's just where me and my friends are all similarly arriving at the same... we are getting old. There is no arguing about it anymore.
    But, one of the articles that I first mentioned, there was a quote in the story my friend posted which I am going to try to remember going forward... "No Letting the Old Man In!" So, we can all use this line. Just don't let the Old Man take over, or for you, @KathyL - the Old Lady... Don't let that person take over and don't give in to settling or crumbling into the mindset that we do not have some living to do. It changes, of course, but it does not have to be over until it is over.
     
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    Sending you best wishes and appreciation.
     
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  7. Constantine666

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    A favorite author that I read frequently, once wrote that age doesn't bring wisdom, but it does give perspective, and the saddest part is that we all gain 20/20 hindsight of all the temptations we resisted.
    Personally, I sometimes do regret the things I never tried. Maybe that's why I have an unpaid reservation on the books at a hotel in the city I was born in, to celebrate my 100th birthday. I really am going to try to make it, alone or with someone else.
     
  8. jamie_oth

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    Papa smurf, I like what you are saying. And I’d like to add a bit more to that from my book.

    Long ago, an very wise old Scottish sailor/draftsman/musician gave me a bit of wisdom that never really took hold until I reached my 70s. At the time we were in our usual hangout - the laundry room in the basement of his home. It was where he often went to escape his wife’s sharp tongue. It was our drinking place. That night was no different than other nights - scotch whiskey chased by ale. In a deep mellow voice still bearing his Scottish origins he told me “Chimmy boy, old age does not come alone.” I remember it like it was yesterday. It didn’t mean much to me at the time but it sure does pack a punch now. At the middle 70s mark my hearing is down to about 45% from a career in aviation, I am waiting for cataract surgery, my hips need to be replaced and in the summer of 2020 I was diagnosed with anal cancer. The cancer treatment was an aggressive program of chemotherapy and radiation therapy. In a post-treatment consultation my oncologist told me “…what we did to your body was brutal”. No argument there from me. Not only did the chemo and radiation damn near kill me, but it pretty well killed everything in the “groinal” area. Despite the pains of old age that I have already mentioned, and the collateral damage caused by the cancer treatment, I am probably happier and more at peace than I have ever been before. Coming face to face with my own mortality was a catalyst for wholesale reassessment of values and for personal philosophy changes. I am now thankful for the smallest things that are part of my day - things that most of the time I previously took for granted, like the people around me, those that I encounter during the day, a comfortable chair, a good book, a stranger’s smile, laughter and a lustful thought. You know what I mean. For me, having come close to losing everything has caused me to feel gratitude all day long for the little things. I hear myself saying “work with what you’ve got”. Considering the alternative, what I’ve got is a lot. I enjoy the hell out of everything I can. I see more of the beauty around me. I complain less. I love more. I smile with my whole heart. So what the hell am I saying? It seems to me that all you can hope for in old age is graceful and gradual degradation. One can’t change that. It’s just the nature of things. It is what it is. To quote Thepapasmurf again, “…don't give in to settling or crumbling into the mindset that we do not have some living to do. It changes, of course, but it does not have to be over until it is over.” My last point: gratitude is powerful tonic.
     
  9. ~Zen~

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    Great post! Thanks for sharing :)
     
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  10. oldguynurse

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    Nicely done, lad. I'll add my own "Not dead yet!" story.

    Brief summary: Year and a half ago broken hip. Didn't heal correctly, took 14 months to walk with rolling walker, getting better, Yay! Four months ago lumbar disc tore, PAIN, onto bed, slowly healing, Yay! Five weeks ago another one tore, PAIN, onto bed again. Having a lot of fun lately! Oh, and IRS says we owe $15,000 we didn't know about. Such fun!

    Say it with me, "Ain't dead yet!"

    --- OGN
     
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  11. thepapasmurph

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    I've been thinking about retiring... I've been thinking about it for a long time, but had anxiety over it. Couldn't explain it to myself. THEN, the pandemic hit. Odd thing happened. I was just under the "acceptable age of retirement". My full Social Security benefits were not quite there due to age... yet, some of my friends were accepting their companies' offer to retire. My company asked me to stay on - full-time - work from home in a new and different sort of way, and I accepted. At first, the work load was light, and I was restless and hated being home every day. This told me I was not ready to retire and have no plan. I could not spend my day watching TV or cruising the internet... As time went by, I began to realize I just wasn't ready and I needed to let go o the notion that retirement was mandatory, or at least expected, at a certain age.
    Happily carrying on for three + more years. I am thinking it might be time now to do something different. I am talking with myself about telling my boss in the new year, that I would like to drop back to part time. I hope I might be able to get him and those in authority at my company to allow me to have a bit of flexibility... and maybe work an equivalent of about 24 hours a week, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. And, I guess if they say no - I will decide to resign/retire closer to June. I will be 68 years old in June. Seems it might be a good time to cut back a little.
    That's my thought now. I just know that I still fear this unknown of hours and hours of unstructured time. I cannot melt into the sofa like putty. I have to keep the old may away from me.
     
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  12. sureño

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    It makes confusing to me. You say you are a trans. But you reckon you have a wife and she is not a lesbian. In that case, you reckon yourself as a man and your wife chose you as a man. You don't need in that case to be a lesbian but just a man who is atracted by women. Why are you twist everything?
     
  13. thepapasmurph

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    @sureño I should probably allow @KathyL to answer you, but I am going to take a stab at it.
    She is not twisting everything. She is a trans woman who is attracted to women. That is why she called herself a lesbian.
    When we come to terms with ourselves later in life, such as Kathy has done, our choices and decisions not only affect ourselves but the people we love. Kathy, I presume, married her wife before she came to understand that she is a woman. She may very well have presented herself as a man to her wife years ago but has transitioned since then to where she is now.
    She no longer "reckons" herself as a man, but her wife most likely reckons herself as a straight female who is attracted to men, and she loved the man she married, but still loves the woman he became.
    Life is far from easy for any of us to understand.
    I hope you posted this because you sincerely wanted to understand, and you were not being negative or sarcastic.
    Aging has its own challenges, but when we add the other matters - those of us who finally faced our real selves, coming out as gay or bi or trans later in life - wow, all the things we once knew and relied upon get tossed. We have to figure out our equilibrium all over again.
     
  14. KathyL

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    Thank you, @thepapasmurph ! I could not have said it better myself.

    @sureño no point in my typing the answer again. Papa said exactly what I would have said. It is not at all confusing.

    I am not a man, though I admit there was a time in my past when I thought I was. I don't "need" to be a lesbian; I just am.
     
  15. sureño

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    Thanks folks for your answer. No sure I understand but...you're free to do what you think is better. It's not my business. I'm in my 60's and I know my best time for love and sex is over. My need for it also was declined and I don't feel sexy anymore. Sometimes we do some action with my wife remaining old times. But that is all.
     
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  16. Gonzobirdie

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    Papa Smurf I hear you. I am a 46 year old guy who is married has kids and has finally accepted I am gay. I have been with guys but stopped. It has been nine years since I was with a guy. Throughout those nine years I tried to say I was straight but years of dreaming and fantasizing about guys has been tough.

    I thought to myself how can I possibly be straight when all I think about is guys. I am even starting to look at men differently. This all came to a head weeks ago when I saw a life guard. OMG he was so hot. I looked up and saw this perfectly toned perfectly tan man standing there. Oh did I fantasize about him and in the shower I did what we all do when thinking about a guy that way. The thing here that is different this time. In the past after I was done fantasizing about a guy I would tell myself to not do that and it was bad and be ashamed. This time, this time that didn’t happen. This time I looked at myself and realized that I need to explore this and I can’t deny that I am gay.

    So Now I want to meet a guy for more then just sex, I want to meet a guy and see if I can have a connection more then sex. I want to sit with him and do nothing, talk, hold hands with him, fall asleep together and wake up together. Don’t get me wrong I feel a burning desire in every part of my body to have sex with a guy again but this time I want to see what it would be like do all the things you say you are missing. I want to do all these things and more to fully explore what really being gay and begin with a guy is and if that is truly me.

    I know I am gay and I am half way though my life so I have lost time to make up for(not far from Syracuse either).
     
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  17. thepapasmurph

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    I hope you find this guy you are looking for @Gonzobirdie. I'll tell you - there is nothing quite like it when you experience this with someone you really connect with -
    A lot of the guys here talk about sex in relation to sex - and many of the guys here understand their desire to be with another man in the most basic form of sexual tension and release - but to meet a man you really connect with, who gets you for you - for who you are - and you get him - and you also have this sexual chemistry as well. That's something very special, indeed.
     
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    I hope you find this guy you are looking for @Gonzobirdie. I'll tell you - there is nothing quite like it when you experience this with someone you really connect with -
    A lot of the guys here talk about sex in relation to sex - and many of the guys here understand their desire to be with another man in the most basic form of sexual tension and release - but to meet a man you really connect with, who gets you for you - for who you are - and you get him - and you also have this sexual chemistry as well. That's something very special, indeed.
     
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    First of all, I think it's beautiful everyone feels safe enough here to share such vulnerabilities about themselves.

    I turned 44 this year. Being in your 40s is weird. It's true "middle" age. Like, young people see me as older, but not yet old. Older people see me as younger, but not young.

    Meanwhile, this year has been the year of my body breaking down. I turned 44 about 6 months ago. In that time, my eyes, memory, hips, stamina, and basic strength have all deteriorated. It's as if I aged 10 years in 6 months. Well, just the other day, I read an article that said at 2 different ages, your body takes a great leap forward in aging: at 60, and--you guessed it--44.

    As a trans woman who volunteers at the local Transgender Resource Center, I'm constantly surrounded by these young, vibrant, twentysomethings. Oh they keep me young in terms of trends, slang, and music, but they're always trying to get me to go out with them to this bar or that club and it's like, I'm at the point in my life where I want to be home in bed with fluffy socks on every night by 10.
     
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  20. Gonzobirdie

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    @thepapasmurph would you like to chat about your experiences sometime? I am still new here so still learning the ropes with the UI and how to start a conversation but if you are up for it i would be!
     
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